Useless rolls

[xSylarx]

haste samba does the same thgingand people still use if and since it not haste it - delay it stacks with haste, haste samba, and marches

BST, PUP, DRG rolls you will most likely never use unless you have friends who really enjoy playing pet jobs. PLD roll is the laughing stock of every roll and has no situation in which it's useful. BRD roll --could-- be useful, but mages always prefer the other rolls anyways. NIN roll you could probably go a year without using, but if you play the game long enough, you're going to find yourself in a situation where the evasion might be exactly what someone wants. DNC roll is fairly weak, and most corsairs never use it... I pop it out when there's nothing going on for a while, but you could probably get away without having that one. BLU roll I've only ever seen used on AV way back in the day when we were still trying for a legit kill on him. MNK roll used to be useful, and still could be under the right circumstances, but no DD will ever ask for it by name because their pride won't allow them to, so you can probably skip that one too.

As far as the new rolls go, allies roll sucks, badly. It only boosts SC damage, and even if you roll XI on it with the AF3+2 gloves to enhance it, it's barely noticable, so you can definately get away skipping that one. Blitzers roll is worthless imo since it's weaker than most other forms of haste and it slows your TP gain to match the delay it cuts. Courser's roll will be useful if they ever do HNMs where a firing squad of RNGs lines up to kill it from a safe distance, but currently it's mostly without use. Though you might use it on yourself at the higher levels to help skillup your marksmanship. I think that's about all of them...

[Mirage]

Speaking of rolls and the cost of buying them. Why are these items only available from an NPC shop? I think most items that are available from NPC shops should also be craftable, or drop from certain monsters.

[Yinnyth]

haste samba does the same thgingand people still use if and since it not haste it - delay it stacks with haste, haste samba, and marches

Samba counts as job ability haste. I believe hasso and Apocalypse's aftermath also fall into that same category. Blitzer's roll lowers the TP you gain per swing, haste samba does not. Also, 'borrow' is spelled with two 'o's.

[Mirabelle]

Blitzer's may lower your TP per swing but it doesn't lower your rate of TP gain. Since the TP formulation favors lower delay weapons, it will actually help TP gain slightly (much like DW). It will throw off XHit builds (just like regain will) but seriously who fusses about X Hits anymore?
For 1H who haven't reached delay cap and are getting high crit%, Blitzers would be a very good roll. Certainly I use it soloing on COR since I only have gear and Samba Haste in that setting.
AS far as useless rolls are concerned: Gallants, Allies, Coursers, BRD are the most useless. Pet rolls are highly situational. NIN, MNK, Magus all can have uses and I wouldn't skimp on them. I'm finding WHM and SCH rolls to be my least used mage rolls as I prefer Fast Cast/Evokers/MAB to be more useful. MACC roll is situational (i.e. you brought along some gimped mages lol).

[Saefinn]

A lot of it is situational, but I've found I can keep a party happy with:
Corsair's Roll - you're going to have it anyway, I rarely use it, but some people request it and I've used it when there's been a BRD about - they can focus on other buffs leaving space for a Corsair's roll.
Ninja's Roll - Situational, normally flag it when we're struggling with mobs and I figure if it means people get fewer hits, then the extra eva is useful.
Hunter's Roll - ACC+ is always useful, particularly when it comes to using ranged attacks. A bonus for lower level parties because people aren't really geared for accuracy - people still occassionally miss in high level parties, so the fewer misses there are, the more damage is being dealt
Chaos Roll - ATT+ is also useful, people like being able to hit harder
Healer's Roll - Handy Pre-level 40, it'll keep your mages happy in that they don't have to rest as long to restore MP. If your mages are down, even after level 40, it's useful to have.
Evoker's Roll - An asset for your mages and they will love you for it, even if you have a Red Mage in the party because it will stack on top of Refresh AND Sublimation (sublimation will replace refresh) and it will stack on top of BRD songs as well. Refresh is a good thing.


You can survive for a while on those. There's other ones that are useful, but I figure these are pretty cost effective.

[Greatguardian]

Fighter's, Rogue's, Samurai rolls? Dancer's? Wizard's? Warlock's?

Personally, I have every roll for the sake of completion, but there's no reason at all not to have at least most of them. Corsair is an expensive job, and bullets and cards cost way more than Dice ever will. If collecting rolls is too gil-intensive, Bard may be a better job choice.

[Panthera]

I've done quests as COR with a BRD friend. We'd stack Mazurka and Bolter's, and we'd essentially be running at Flee speed. I'm pretty lucky about rolling threes (or i just make my own luck with Snake Eye). I have used Pet rolls before, and had them used for my SMN.

But like the man said, if you're having a problem with Gil, Bard is much cheaper. Or do Blu and you won't have to buy any spells! Dancer if fairly cheap, too.

[Huevriel]

Pld roll is far and away the most useless roll. I wish I could get a refund on that die.

PLD roll is actually a lot of fun to use. Yes, a lot of these rolls are situational. I've gotten them all for completion's sake.
PLD roll helped me a bit when I did NPC fight (COR/NIN vs PLD/NIN. took me 5 rematches) and just about any other time I decide to fight against friends in Brenner.
BRD roll helps when I solo for parry skillups. Spell Interrupt down is nice when I screw up the utsu cast timing.
I use pet rolls plenty of times on friend's PUP, BST, and SMN jobs.
BLU roll is insane and rocks when doing Scouting the Ashu Talif (no BLU on XI and it = Shellra V)
Like many have said before, highly situational. COR is my main and absolute favorite job.
If you wanna skim by with it, then get the main rolls people want and play support. If you wanna give it your all, take up a craft, make your own ammo, use said craft to buy all the die, and before you know it COR won't feel that expensive anymore.
It's nice when you farm just a tiny bit to get mountains of elemental cards.
* 1 stack of Polyflan from the AH (never seen it more than 10K) yields 396 polyflan paper (NQ) (each paper makes 33 cards NQ)
Some light farming and or buying light crystals, and you crank out more cards than you know what to do with at a fraction of the cost.
Bullets are just as nice. don't pay for ammo, just farm and craft everything. (1 hour of farming for roughly 12 to 16 stacks of bullets). Money saved can go into buying ingredients to make shihei and ninjutsu for all the COR/NIN'ing (shadows and elemental jutsu for unresisted QD).
It takes a lot of work to make COR cheap, and a lot of inventory space too.

[Greatguardian]

I've done quests as COR with a BRD friend. We'd stack Mazurka and Bolter's, and we'd essentially be running at Flee speed. I'm pretty lucky about rolling threes (or i just make my own luck with Snake Eye). I have used Pet rolls before, and had them used for my SMN.

But like the man said, if you're having a problem with Gil, Bard is much cheaper. Or do Blu and you won't have to buy any spells! Dancer if fairly cheap, too.

Bolter's and Mazurka don't stack, for future reference. 1 piece of gear + 1 effect at a time, with Ambition atma counting as gear.

[Yinnyth]

Eh? They changed it? Because bolters and mazurka sure as hell used to stack. Bolters XI and chocobo mazurka was +50% movement speed and it was awesome.