job forum monitoring

[Glamdring]

I'll be the 1st to admit, most of the ideas posted in the job-specific forums are ideas to buff their 1 job at the expense of every other job and totally destroy balance with the sole purpose of being able to say "I have the damage record!" Therefore, most are to be ignored as the trash they clearly are. You are clearly succeeding at that SE.

Unfortunately, buried in all that trash are posts about very real legitimate concerns that should be addressed. The lack of any response-at all-leads the playerbase to believe that SE simply does not care. Honestly, you can look at threads by the number of responses to see player feeling on such and such topic to see that it is important to the playerbase, then read the responses and see which have likes to see which way players are wanting to go. Would it hurt to toss those concerned players a bone and show that SE is at least aware of their concerns?

Topics like beasts wanting to charm again, paladins wanting to do ANYTHING again, cor brd rng wanting to be wanted again, these and others are all very real concerns, and in many ways central to how the entire gameplay system was envisioned, but the lack of response to anything leads players to believe that even the core of the game is an issue that SE is fundamentally unconcerned about. I don't actually believe that (you want your jobs' to continue if nothing else), but a response now and then would get others to believe that you take the players seriously, too.

[wish12oz]

cor brd rng wanting to be wanted again,

You lose all credibility for saying BRD is useless. Only fools don't want CORs and BRDs, tell you what, anyone here that wants to play BRD/COR, after the update, move to odin (on ifrit right now), and send me a tell in game, names Kaerin, you can join my LS and play BRD or COR to your hearts content, we'll even pimp it like west coast customs/Xzibit~

[Bigboy]

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It is a highlighted fallacy in the thread creator's post. It is important to point out because in that sentence the creator displays a lack of understanding of the topic they chose to post about. So for the record, it is not a derail. It is a fair critic of the post, and attempting to narrow the scope of the argument so as not to include jobs he is so obviously wrong about.

If you want to actually get something done, you don't present a daunting laundry list of things that need to happen, but 1 or two things you would really like. More details, especially when they are wrong, are usually a deterrent when you are trying to convince someone to just show some interest. Once they have, then load them up with all the details you can.

[wish12oz]

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I'm the guy who knows double marches makes everything die twice as fast, killing twice as fast means doing double what you would of otherwise gotten done in a set amount of time.
Let's say you take 10 min to kill some NM, and have an hour, you can kill that NM 6 times.
Now lets add a bard, it doubles your damage and you can now do that NM 12 times in an hour.
Saying the job that doubles your efficiency is not desired is just plain stupid and wrong.

I.E. if he is so wrong about this one thing he mentioned, the rest of his argument is hurt by his lack of understanding of the game. It's sort of like how you think throwing is good, even though math says it's completely terrible, he's misinformed, and I am trying to inform him. He said bards are hurting because no one wants them around, this is entirely not true, EVERYONE who is intelligent wants bards around.

It's not 'derailing' it's arguing against the points he is trying to make because he is incorrect. It's just like debating. I'm sorry you don't understand this concept.

also: everything Bigboy said.

[Greatguardian]

EVERYONE who is intelligent wants bards around.

And this pretty much highlights why some Bards may feel like they're not wanted. You'd have to find an intelligent player for them to get an invite, and most (not all) intelligent players play exclusively with their friends already.

[noodles355]

He said bards are hurting because no one wants them around, this is entirely not true, EVERYONE who is intelligent wants bards around.

Actually it kind of averages out. Yes, your kill speed increases with a bard, however, if you take a bard that's one more person you need to farm seals for before you disband if you already have one person on each seal. Whether the increased killspeed from the bard will outweigh the extra pops needed to complete everyone's desired AF piece is difficult to say.

[Soundwave]

They should at least come on the job section and say "Hey we really like this idea etc. can we get more feed back on this?" instead of multiple wish list threads, we could actually be responding to something that will make a difference.

Granted I'm sure all ideas are considered and then weeded out for balance...

[Akujima]

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Yes, I do agree that the job forums are being slightly overlooked, and that trolls are continuing to toss out bogus idea's such as "Give more Dual-Wield to NIN" and "Just get rid of all the San: spells, they're pretty useless anyways". And I don't blame the developers if they're annoyed by seeing ridiculousness like that.

I have first hand experience with a thread I made in the NINJA forums -> "A Ninja Without Throwing"

Where I try to promote a dynamic factor to a job, so it can at least FEEL like it was intended to when the job was first conceived. But what do I get? Attacked.

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[Korpg]

Where I try to promote a dynamic factor to a job, so it can at least FEEL like it was intended to when the job was first conceived. But what do I get? Attacked. Tag-teamed by staunch defenders of elitism, who are so blinded by their own quest for power, they could care less about "Imbalance".

Because what does balance bring? Equality. Something which they DO NOT want.

Actually, its very hard to improve on one job without weakening another. Sometimes the job you are trying to weaken by strengthen another job also hurts a third, unrelated job, so finding a perfect balance where all jobs are equally balanced is very hard to do.

Thats why it is pointless to try, and SE knows that. That is why they are bringing up their strengths because each person has their own play style. Have a SMN90 and no other jobs at 90? They will be very hard pressed to get any seals because most people only do low-man situations, which require only certain jobs. So what is that SMN90 going to do?

Level a different job.

There is no rule stating that you can only have one job, just like there is no rule stating "One job to rule them all." Everyone has their own strengths to go by, you just have to find a group of people who will accept you for who you are, not for who you are not.

[Glamdring]

never said they were useless, I said they weren't wanted, big difference. Caitsith they simply get no Aby love, and as we all know, there is no FFXI outside Aby. now /brd... Honestly, I'm a 90 bard, and a pretty good one (at least my regular group hasn't looked to replace me 4 years running). Nonetheless, I'm asked to come on my bst, dnc or thf more than my brd, although /brd to do Threnody !!. Bard, cor and ranger all still have utility, even paladin do when you are willing to look beyond the "cookie-cutter" approach used by most party leaders for almost anything, but without a serious change (or more properly serious promotion) these jobs will not be put into the "cookie cutter" builds. So, no want...

I'll be honest, I don't love bard, I levelled it because my beast (which I do love) got no Dynamis love, or any other end-game love for that matter, but people would fight over who got the available bards at 75. I still don't love bard, but there are times when I really would rather use it than my other jobs (no jug/pet food $ as an example). But unless my Social LS decided to take pity on it I could seek for 2-3 hours for a seals party for my bard. Ranger is so bad that I haven't seen Imrahilsquiver stocked in like a month. Cor? ROFLMAO if you think they'll get an invite ! pld, only if you can't find anything else. To get rng and cor in the mix would require a significant need for blue !! processing, which you simply don't see. Paladin basically needs to function as a ghetto war trying for red !!; but they are actually excellent at getting 1 mob off an aby puller, especially since blm are too busy trying to show off MAB numbers to sleepaga (and remember, we have no bards), because pld can still take a hit.