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    Player Atomic_Skull's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    You can't use grips with hand to hand because they don't count as 2handed weapons. They're teachnically dual-wielded 1-handed weapons - There's an invisible weapon in the offhand slot which is what gives you your second attack. As a result, you can't put anything there.

    Hand to hand does not get the 2-handed attack/accuracy calculation, either. The game does not treat them as 2-handed weapons, simple as that.

    2-handers were never "nerfed". They were initially considered weaker, so SE buffed them to 1 stat = 1 attack/accuracy. They decided that was too much and lowered it to 3 stat = 2 attack/accuracy. This is still above the original state. They buffed 2h, then they partially removed the buff.
    The 2007 2H buff also made 2H weapons partially ignore defense and level difference, about a month later SE realized how overpowered this was (a couple 2H melee could mow down Fafnir in less than a minute) so they scaled this back (although 2H still have an advantage here) and lowered ACC/ATT to 4:3 instead of 1:1.

    Grips were introduced with the initial 2H buff not later.
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    Last edited by Atomic_Skull; 05-04-2011 at 06:13 AM.

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    Player hiko's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull View Post
    The 2007 2H buff also made 2H weapons partially ignore defense and level difference, about a month later SE realized how overpowered this was (a couple 2H melee could mow down Fafnir in less than a minute) so they scaled this back (although 2H still have an advantage here) and lowered ACC/ATT to 4:3 instead of 1:1.

    Grips were introduced with the initial 2H buff not later.
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    grips were introduced when mnk was top DD then dual wielder and 2hander were "weak" DDs, adding them to mnks would have been stupid as it was to fix 2hander (they over fixed it and had to came a little back but thats another story)
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    Player Atomic_Skull's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by hiko View Post
    This!
    grips were introduced when mnk was top DD then dual wielder and 2hander were "weak" DDs, adding them to mnks would have been stupid as it was to fix 2hander (they over fixed it and had to came a little back but thats another story)
    And MNK is still top DD.
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