For those of us who still support the PS2 version of FFXI

[Yarly]

How many times do people have to say this?

YOU AREN'T GETTING NEW/MORE CONTENT IF PS2 SUPPORT IS DROPPED.

Asking for PS2 support to be dropped is retarded and selfish and it's as stupid as asking SE to drop PC support.

[Krashport]

How many times do people have to say this?

YOU AREN'T GETTING NEW/MORE CONTENT IF PS2 SUPPORT IS DROPPED.

Asking for PS2 support to be dropped is retarded and selfish and it's as stupid as asking SE to drop PC support.

http://www.jpbutton.com/?page_id=3113

[JagerForrester]

It seems that one of the big sides of the argument was that the old PS2 were not discontinued, and I pointed out that they aren't in Japan, where most of the PS2 base is.

Just to get this out of the way, I never doubted you knowing the PS2 is holding FFXI back, otherwise SE isn't doing a good job letting people know that.

You proved to me why the PS2 is still supported, but it doesn't prove it's the most beneficial reason why they still play FFXI on it. I was originally a PS2 player in 2009 when I left and PS2 limitations were beginning to be announced at that time. But I wanted to play the game again. I looked at the PS2 and said, "You're being a problem for FFXI, and I can play the game the same way with something else. You no longer serve me any purpose." If they provided an substantial upgrade to the PS2 where the limitation problem disappeared, I probably would have stayed a PS2 player. So far the most beneficial reason I am hearing is lack of finances. It's not difficult to put money aside every paycheck into savings; I do it every 2months.

And? Its caused more good then harm and bottom line is SE isn't about to discontinue the ps2 support because others want FF11 to be less accessible just so that they get more content. Hello! Why do u think 14 was created? Because I'm sure SE knew it had limits and wasn't going to alter FF11 by cutting a system. FF14 is the main focus not a 9 year old mmo that people are leaving anyway.

Edit: Underlined words reveal your inability to type effectively

I believe FF14 was created to do what FF11 couldn't, expand and customize. That's why 14 looks so much like a clone to me, and I bet SE was planning the FF11 player base was going to move to this new MMO, allowing them to shut down FF11 after FF14 becomes their new cash flow. Unfortunately, FF14 is in the hole. A failed plan to be honest, but they are trying to remedy the mistake by making FF11 attract more revenue as they fix FF14.

They are doing so by getting new players to reach the highest levels much faster so new players can spend their time experiencing all the game content (missions, quests, end-game, etc.) they currently have released for FF11. It has taken a good chunk of time to complete all this content for the older players. So as the newbies spend all this time with all the current content, SE is accumulating the money made to get back up on their feet and recover from the mess they are in.

If they use this money to recover FFXIV, it's another big risk they are taking, and recovering won't be as successful as it would be if FFXIV was a success on the first release date. If they use this money to fix FFXI, which already has a strong, but dwindling player base (because of veterans leaving for lack of new content), they may have much more of a chance to recover lost profits, and veterans may come back to explore the new content on their already built characters.

I agree FF14 is the main focus, but not their major concern. Making money is, and they can't make money with a failed product as much as they can with a successful product.

[Neofire]

Just to get this out of the way, I never doubted you knowing the PS2 is holding FFXI back, otherwise SE isn't doing a good job letting people know that.

You proved to me why the PS2 is still supported, but it doesn't prove it's the most beneficial reason why they still play FFXI on it. I was originally a PS2 player in 2009 when I left and PS2 limitations were beginning to be announced at that time. But I wanted to play the game again. I looked at the PS2 and said, "You're being a problem for FFXI, and I can play the game the same way with something else. You no longer serve me any purpose." If they provided an substantial upgrade to the PS2 where the limitation problem disappeared, I probably would have stayed a PS2 player. So far the most beneficial reason I am hearing is lack of finances. It's not difficult to put money aside every paycheck into savings; I do it every 2months.


I believe FF14 was created to do what FF11 couldn't, expand and customize. That's why 14 looks so much like a clone to me, and I bet SE was planning the FF11 player base was going to move to this new MMO, allowing them to shut down FF11 after FF14 becomes their new cash flow. Unfortunately, FF14 is in the hole. A failed plan to be honest, but they are trying to remedy the mistake by making FF11 attract more revenue as they fix FF14.

They are doing so by getting new players to reach the highest levels much faster so new players can spend their time experiencing all the game content (missions, quests, end-game, etc.) they currently have released for FF11. It has taken a good chunk of time to complete all this content for the older players. So as the newbies spend all this time with all the current content, SE is accumulating the money made to get back up on their feet and recover from the mess they are in.

If they use this money to recover FFXIV, it's another big risk they are taking, and recovering won't be as successful as it would be if FFXIV was a success on the first release date. If they use this money to fix FFXI, which already has a strong, but dwindling player base (because of veterans leaving for lack of new content), they may have much more of a chance to recover lost profits, and veterans may come back to explore the new content on their already built characters.

I agree FF14 is the main focus, but not their major concern. Making money is, and they can't make money with a failed product as much as they can with a successful product.

I could give a damn about how you perceive my typing skills because its irrelevant. So try to find something else to hurt my feelings on.

On top though to comment on your "I agree FF14 is the main focus, but not their major concern. Making money is, and they can't make money with a failed product as much as they can with a successful product." statement answer this, if SE has known about the limitations of the ps2(which i am sure they have for a long time now) why haven't they acted? Hmmm maybe it's because they don't feel that they have to? Or the fact that it probably wouldn't do much good?

[Neofire]

How many times do people have to say this?

YOU AREN'T GETTING NEW/MORE CONTENT IF PS2 SUPPORT IS DROPPED.

Asking for PS2 support to be dropped is retarded and selfish and it's as stupid as asking SE to drop PC support.

Finally someone with an unselfish opinion. SE isn't going to drop ps2 support or they would of did that before they started losing accounts 2 and 3 years ago.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

How many times do people have to say this?

YOU AREN'T GETTING NEW/MORE CONTENT IF PS2 SUPPORT IS DROPPED.

Asking for PS2 support to be dropped is retarded and selfish and it's as stupid as asking SE to drop PC support.

Finally someone with an unselfish opinion. SE isn't going to drop ps2 support or they would of did that before they started losing accounts 2 and 3 years ago.

http://www.jpbutton.com/?page_id=3113

Ha. 6%.
True that the statement, "YOU AREN'T GETTING NEW/MORE CONTENT IF PS2 SUPPORT IS DROPPED" dose say they dropping PS2 will not gain content. But you have to keep in mind that it's only half of a true statement. You are forgetting that the PS2 itself is blocking any new content. So then one could go as far as to say that dropping the PS2 will provide new content.
SE please keep in mind they these are just a select group of very vocal complainers that do not make up the comunity view as a whole and are, in fact, the vast minority.

[PizzaTheHut]

http://www.jpbutton.com/?page_id=3113

Seriously? You're posting a link to a 2009 survey? That anyone can fake? Done by a non credible source? For all we know twenty people could have answered that survey. So unless you/they have proof of almost every single player on each server participating in that study, that proves nothing except that the creator of that survey is just as selfish as everyone else.

Also they used a percentage based system instead of a number for exact participants.

Yarly is still right.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

For all we know twenty people could have answered that survey.

SE has already proven with their own surveys that the player base jumps on them. Did you bother to check the traffic of the site?

[RAIST]

A simple fact to this PS2 debate:

SE has STATED they can't do certain things because fo PS2 limitations...so much so that it has become a running joke on some forums to just reply "ps2 limitations" to any suggestions.

It just stands to reason that if there was no need to support the PS2, then that limitation is gone. Then, they have to look to another reason...maybe Graphics Engine or Emulation Layer limitations. But, as it stands now...a fair bit of issues are tied to the need to continue the PS2 support.

That's not opinion, that is fact. If PS2 support were dropped (and there weren't other limitations), then they COULD produce more content, or perhaps enhance current content to a higher quality...unless they run into issues with the Xbox360 then.

So, no we wouldn't necessarily get new content without PS2--but it would no longer be the excuse for not making a lot of changes that were shot down in the past.

Raist

[Krashport]

Seriously? You're posting a link to a 2009 survey? That anyone can fake? Done by a non credible source? For all we know twenty people could have answered that survey. So unless you/they have proof of almost every single player on each server participating in that study, that proves nothing except that the creator of that survey is just as selfish as everyone else.

Also they used a percentage based system instead of a number for exact participants.

Yarly is still right.

I take it that you just click last on every thread. so sad.. =(