Ranger wan-... NEEDS.

[Kitkat]

Outside of Abyssea, my DD capabilities are either on par with "decent" geared melee DD, but maybe only 2/3 the capabilities of Uber geared melee DD. I'll agree that the recent addition of 15 levels on Rng has actually seen a decrease in Ratt on gear in favor of Racc or STP+. I love Emp. Artifact armor for Rng, but at the same time I find myself Questioning if the full set is worth using over certain older pieces (C.C.A/P.P.A, Skadi or Relic Feet/A. Mantle) mainly due to the loss of Ratt in the slots. My new Rng set sports an amazing -40Enmity, easy 6hit build, and nice chunk of Racc/str/agi/skill, but only +46~50ratt compared to the alternative of +68~80ratt using older options?

I wonder on the -Enmity since I noticed little difference in the amount of hate I could pull prior to having any -enmity.

DD in abyssea seems ok in the sense of DoT. High 200~400 (high is crits) per hit (based off fighting buffalo in Abbysea - U. Range), but my blu does 120~240 (high is crits) and attacks much more often. WS damage is where I see the weakest numbers, but still relatively strong for a single hit WS, 1800~2900 (Full buffs+stalwarts+flashy shot), but the average is in the 1400~1700 range. This seems...rather low considering the 97D bow and 40D arrow I'm using. I would just like to see better numbers out of a Rng wearing +60Str, +50Agi, +50ratt using a 97+40D weapon (pre-atma).

Maybe the utter lack of +Ratt, or lower Delineation of Str affecting Ratt Dmg is the issue. Being as the Bow is technically considered a 2Hand weapon maybe SE needs to give it the same .75 buff that Scyth/GK/Gaxe/Polearm got a few years back.

[Aeyliea]

Heh. Real rangers use Vulcan's Staff for the ranged attack and the STR, and since that is a 2hand weapon, gain the .75 bonus on attack from STR.

I've been playing RNG since before the patch the practically destroyed the class. Now, though, the real problem is DPS. A Ranger can crank out awesomely high numbers - I can spank out a 4-7K Jishnu's no problem, and critical hits can, with ODD from set bonus and aftermath, reach 2400-3000 damage for a single ranged attack - even with that, a Ranger is a lesser class of damage dealer. Outside of abyssea we still do well enough, inside abyssea, however, we are way down the list.

The problem in abyssea is the kind of atma's we DO NOT get. Any swinging DD can get triple attack and double attack from a variety of atma's that greatly increase their damage output. Rangers get nothing of the sort. A ranger with perfect gear going against a average geared warrior outside of abyssea, and that warrior will get its backside thumped so hard in terms of sheer damage output that it'd be embaressing. Inside abyssea, that same WAR can destroy a ranger, simply by putting on atma of the apocolypse and getting some good procs on triple attack during weapon skills.

There needs to be some kind of atmas that increase snapshot, or grant double shot effect, or increase rapid shot. At current, there are only a few atmas that increase ranged accuracy and attack; the best ranger atma's currently are razed ruins, strong arm, and voracious violet - and those (excluding RR) only for the base stats they grant, not their other effects.

[Superchicken]

Heh. Real rangers use Vulcan's Staff for the ranged attack and the STR, and since that is a 2hand weapon, gain the .75 bonus on attack from STR.

I've been playing RNG since before the patch the practically destroyed the class. Now, though, the real problem is DPS. A Ranger can crank out awesomely high numbers - I can spank out a 4-7K Jishnu's no problem, and critical hits can, with ODD from set bonus and aftermath, reach 2400-3000 damage for a single ranged attack - even with that, a Ranger is a lesser class of damage dealer. Outside of abyssea we still do well enough, inside abyssea, however, we are way down the list.

Real rangers use Kraken Club, and i don't know how you can say RNG is a lesser class of dmg dealer in abyssea. I can put out the massive dmg over any other melee in abyssea. Jishnu's Radiance every 10 seconds will leave the other melee with face in palm

[Militis]

Real rangers use Kraken Club, and i don't know how you can say RNG is a lesser class of dmg dealer in abyssea. I can put out the massive dmg over any other melee in abyssea. Jishnu's Radiance every 10 seconds will leave the other melee with face in palm

Everyone will play RNG their own way. So to say a real RNG uses this weapon or that, is an opinion not a fact. In my opinion only gimp RNGs use Kraken Club. Yeah sure you MAY spam weapon skills more often, however and what cost? To make it so you actually hit a decent amount of time on that club you must sacrifice some Ranged Accuracy/Ranged Attack for melee Accuracy. Even if you macro the good Weapon Skill gear in, youa re still sacrificing a Weapon that would benefit your Weapon Skill better. Also, as Superchicken says, it only works IF, and only if, the mages can keep you alive from all the extra enmity. I'm sure I speak for many groups out there when I say the extra attention on a glass jawed job is not desired.

I'm sure at least one numskull who swears by the Kraken Club is going to try and rage and flame me for saying this, but that just proves the point that they truly are NOT a team player, which is what this game is mostly about.

[Superchicken]

Everyone will play RNG their own way. So to say a real RNG uses this weapon or that, is an opinion not a fact. In my opinion only gimp RNGs use Kraken Club. Yeah sure you MAY spam weapon skills more often, however and what cost? To make it so you actually hit a decent amount of time on that club you must sacrifice some Ranged Accuracy/Ranged Attack for melee Accuracy. Even if you macro the good Weapon Skill gear in, youa re still sacrificing a Weapon that would benefit your Weapon Skill better. Also, as Superchicken says, it only works IF, and only if, the mages can keep you alive from all the extra enmity. I'm sure I speak for many groups out there when I say the extra attention on a glass jawed job is not desired.

I'm sure at least one numskull who swears by the Kraken Club is going to try and rage and flame me for saying this, but that just proves the point that they truly are NOT a team player, which is what this game is mostly about.

you got at my point exactly. Everyone plays the job different. Yes i carry the staff as well. And what do you mean have to sacrifice racc ratk gear to get hits with KC. Of course, when you use a KC you have a melee tp set and then of course you have a WS set. You think WS in the KC gear? WS set is the same no matter if using KC or staff as main hand weapon. So the statement about sacrificing ratk and racc for melee acc gear is not even a factor here, cause if you are a KC rng you have a tp build consisting of haste and acc to build your tp from the melee hits of the KC. If i'm tping from bow shots then of course i'm using my Ratk / little bit of RAcc build for that (i dont need much Racc from gear as my merits and torque and some of the archery + gear is plenty).

And of course the KC is situational. It the situation can handle me beating the crap on it with KC and spamming Jishnu's Radiance and my mage can handle it then theres no way a Ranger who's using Ratks solely is gonna keep up in dmg when i'm cranking out WS's every few seconds. if the situation cant handle the massive tp feed a KC brings and me constantly getting beat on from all the enmity of ws spam then yes, i'm in the back pluckign away with Range attacks in my appropriate ratk gear.

Oh and i must add seeing RNGs walk around and shoot in all this Racc instead of Ratk and STR gear makes me ><. I will say this, REAL rangers have merits in their weapon of choice. I've never ever had an issue on RNG where i need to stack Racc in every slot like i see alot of rangers doing

The right to opinion is awesome and yes this is mine. Everyone plays their job different. There's RNGs who swear by /nin so they can dual wield two weapons for stat bonuses. I personally will not /nin as /sam and /war provide more imo. Their's rangers who /drg so they can jump their hate. We all know their comes commen sense when playing any job. Sittign there and spamming WS's or epeening out on those battles that last longer than a couple minutes is not very beneficial when you are laying face down from it due to your constant pulling of hate and you are spending more time dead/weakened than you are fighting and contributing to the fight