Ranger wan-... NEEDS.

[Virjunior]

Nah, the Thief is tanking a bunch of stuff, and he can easily keep hate with all the double/triple/quadruple attack he has. RR is just to make sure hate stays on him after he gathers his initial 20 seconds or so of attacking.

The reason why the WAR goes down so much is because he's hell bent on doing all the damage ever to a mob, which reminds me of what was said earlier...KC can make you do retarded damage, but how long is that going to last if you're dead? And how much help are you to anyone when you're lying face down on the ground?

I think the bigger problem has nothing to do with DDs, though there are obvious problems. I totally agree with your idea of Snapshot, but the biggest issue for job interactivity and role should be PLDs, and the fact that their hate cap isn't broken.

[Mirabelle]

I don't think the problem with RNG is a lack of damage. We're relatively on par (despite paying). We still can get hate just like every other DD.
Problem is, when RNG gets hate, it screws everyone else including the RNG. Now the RNG's distance nerf comes into play. Now every other melee DD has missed his WS as the mob comes raging after you. Now every mage is muttering "Gawd damm RNG!" as AoE moves towards them and they have to pump out a ton of Cure V's to save your ass.
Until the enmity formula is changed, the bottom line is that a RNG has to hold back to keep everyone happy and that will always nerf your parse.

[Kitkat]

I don't think the problem with RNG is a lack of damage. We're relatively on par (despite paying). We still can get hate just like every other DD.
Problem is, when RNG gets hate, it screws everyone else including the RNG. Now the RNG's distance nerf comes into play. Now every other melee DD has missed his WS as the mob comes raging after you. Now every mage is muttering "Gawd damm RNG!" as AoE moves towards them and they have to pump out a ton of Cure V's to save your ass.
Until the enmity formula is changed, the bottom line is that a RNG has to hold back to keep everyone happy and that will always nerf your parse.

I guess this is probably my biggest beef about rng also. Granted my blu and thf, as of now, bury my rng in overall dmg but it is mainly due to the fact that enmity builds fast on rng and survivability is a joke. Have to stand in a "sweet spot" to get ideal damage numbers and when you pull hate you cause it to run away from other melee.
Even without Jishnu's Radiance, rng can still put out decent dmg, but at the same time I don't know any that would...after my last instance on rng, I sure as hell won't. Even spacing out my attacks I pulled hate...over a blm of all things.

I wish SE would have kept the plan to lower rng enmity if out of the sweet spot, shot for shot, cause rng really could have used it. If I remember right this was one of those adjustments they planned about a year ago, but ended up scrapping after test phase for some reason.

[Catsby]

enmity stuff...

This is kind of a problem for any job that deals damage and isn't trying to tank, not just Ranger. It really is a mystery why the dev team chose not to go with the -enmity stuff for ranger though.

[Feliciaa]

This is kind of a problem for any job that deals damage and isn't trying to tank, not just Ranger. It really is a mystery why the dev team chose not to go with the -enmity stuff for ranger though.

I think SE did not add the -enmity stuff because of the advantage bow users would gain over Xbow + Gun users and with the type of -enmity gear we have there was the potential of making it so we just about never pull hate.

However, I think they should have at least given us 2 JAs similar to DRG's High and Super jump. That way there is still a need to watch hate but it's no longer a "I have hate but there is nothing I can do about it besides watch the mob take my face off"

[Emerican]

I guess this is probably my biggest beef about rng also. Granted my blu and thf, as of now, bury my rng in overall dmg but it is mainly due to the fact that enmity builds fast on rng and survivability is a joke. Have to stand in a "sweet spot" to get ideal damage numbers and when you pull hate you cause it to run away from other melee.
Even without Jishnu's Radiance, rng can still put out decent dmg, but at the same time I don't know any that would...after my last instance on rng, I sure as hell won't. Even spacing out my attacks I pulled hate...over a blm of all things.

I wish SE would have kept the plan to lower rng enmity if out of the sweet spot, shot for shot, cause rng really could have used it. If I remember right this was one of those adjustments they planned about a year ago, but ended up scrapping after test phase for some reason.

It's sadly been this way since the huge 2005 nerf. SE just needs to make another ability that would allow you to shoot from any distance and not have changes in accuracy and attack, but your melee attacks would not grant TP. That way we could stay Melee distance and not have to worry about pulling mobs away from everyone else.

The other biggest flaw with RNG is the ammo needs to be sold from NPC's at this point SE, seriously make it happen.