Concerns about SCH.

[Pebe]

@ Sotek, Like all job traits, there are different tiers as you increase in level. The goal that we had set forth was for there to be a job trait that gives whm the same amount of hate with cure V if its special enmity properties were moved, while giving the other jobs access to cure V with increased hate. Now if Tranquil heart works like I hope it will be something like this:

WHM will get Tranquil Heart V @ 90
SCH will get Tranquil heart II @?
Rdm will only get Tranquil heart I

This allows for the possibility of implementing cure V to other jobs other than whm, without encroaching on whms supreme healer territory due to massive hate gain. SCH is very good at mp efficiency and as Kaeko has shown time time again, enmity mitigation via Enmity- sets. There are also the special properties of our scholar's gown +2. Keeping all this in mind, one can see how this job trait can be used to balance introducing Cure V without its special hate properties to the jobs listed, while still maintaining balance to the jobs. Sch will encroach on whm's territory but never surpass, RDM will be behind both in terms of curing. This is how it was meant to be. I'm pretty sure this was the consensus that we came to in this thread of how Cure V could be implemented. Please correct me if I am mistaken.

Edit: @ Sotek: If you go just one page before this one Sotek, the first post on the page is a comment about this exact type of job trait, that you said you were hoping for.

Edit 2: I realize that this is only half of the solution. The other half involves changing and implementing Cure V as we stated, but that is what I'm hoping they are going to do. This Job Trait opens up a few possibilities in that field.

[Sotek]

WHM will get Tranquil Heart V @ 90
SCH will get Tranquil heart II @?
Rdm will only get Tranquil heart I

Edit: @ Sotek: If you go just one page before this one Sotek, the first post on the page is a comment about this exact type of job trait, that you said you were hoping for.

Yeah, a comment by me, so I think I know what I was expecting. Giving this to Scholar and Red Mage just voids what I suggested. At best I was expecting something like this for White Mage only, maybe with two tiers available through sub job. Just giving it two us just makes my idea of getting Cure V less balanced. The level difference between Scholar and White Mage gaining this is only 9 levels, I'd be surprised if we get more than one tier lower than them (and fyi, Red Mage obtains the trait before Scholar, they're more likely to have a higher tier than us).

The idea behind putting Cure V/VIs effect in a trait was so that White Mage could keep the effect while we get Cure V. I shouldn't complain but this almost completely undoes that, assuming we even get Cure V. And really, if Merton is right and Animus spells effect this... Well, why bother in the first place? We'd have automatic access to the same tier if not better than White Mages through the spell, they might as well have just given us Cure V as it is if they're going to ignore balancing it. The idea behind Animus effecting it is nice, but if you have a Scholar main healing, you wont have a White Mage or if you have a White Mage, no Scholar. Couple that with the fact that White Mage is already completely unneeding for any hate reduction and the Animus aspect of the trait benefits only us. Unless the new Voidwhatever event is going to require more than 4 people, that is.

Hate control in the current game is a complete joke. Actually, I think this could just be nothing more than a response to something else I've mentioned. I've said plenty of times that I manage main healing with Cure IV, with hate becoming an eventual issue, ironically the job meant to control hate is one of the few that actually can have issues with it. This would reduce that as it effects all cures, I'm not assuming we're getting Cure V until I read it.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

WHM will get Tranquil Heart V @ 90
SCH will get Tranquil heart II @?
Rdm will only get Tranquil heart I

RDM gets the trait before SCH, so there is no way they will get a lesser tier than SCH far more likely for it to be the other way around, I'm guessing:

WHM
Tier I - 21
Tier II - 41
Tier III - 61
Tier IV - 81
Tier V - Possibly 91

RDM
Tier I - 26
Tier II - 46
Tier III - 86?

SCH
Tier I - 30
Tier II - 60
Tier III - 90?