Concerns about SCH.

[Silvers]

The point is having them sub job only makes you want to sub job it, that's how it works.

If you get everything naturally then there would be no need for subjobs, it's regardless if they're basic spells or not. Warp and Teleport spells are basic, you still need to /blm and /whm to get them.

Convert, Fast Cast, and all the enfeebles is a reason to /rdm.

What's your definition of a basic spell? Teleports and warps are job specific/unique, no other job has them.
In fairness, SCH should have a couple native enfeeble magics other than Sleeps and Break. What was the point of Light Arts giving a boost to enfeeble magic skill if they don't have a enfeebling white magic natively. This argument should have been make when they 1st done the adjustment. On the same note, why does SCH have divine magic skill (a fairly high one at that) but not divine magic at all natively? If the skills are native, they should be supported by having spells without the need of a sub. I understand the story with RDM, but SCH came long after. There is no reason for having skills without spells to go with them. It's like having a native weapon skill rating on a job, and your job can not equip any weapon associated with your skill.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

What's your definition of a basic spell? Teleports and warps are job specific/unique, no other job has them.
In fairness, SCH should have a couple native enfeeble magics other than Sleeps and Break. What was the point of Light Arts giving a boost to enfeeble magic skill if they don't have a enfeebling white magic natively. This argument should have been make when they 1st done the adjustment. On the same note, why does SCH have divine magic skill (a fairly high one at that) but not divine magic at all natively? If the skills are native, they should be supported by having spells without the need of a sub. I understand the story with RDM, but SCH came long after. There is no reason for having skills without spells to go with them. It's like having a native weapon skill rating on a job, and your job can not equip any weapon associated with your skill.

It's a job that's power relies in their choice of support job.

[Sotek]

It's a job that's power relies in their choice of support job.

Oh joy, this logic again.

There is no choice in sub job for Scholar, enfeebles aren't even a part of that. Convert and Fast Cast alone completely out weigh any other sub job. Divine Seal certainly isn't worth losing Convert for and I may be mistaken but Black Mage offers nothing more than Warp, Stun and 2INT, colour me unimpressed. You could give Scholar main every single Red Mage spell from 1-99 and it still wouldn't make a difference, the only jobs it truly gives more choice to is White Mage and Black Mage.

I'm not going to bother saying that they're spells we'll have regardless again, I've said it's simply a matter of completion enough, you can win this argument if you like.

@Elemental Celerity, since I didn't touch on it earlier. Scholar already has this, it's called Alacrity, it halves casting time. Somewhat related to the above, lowering the required level for EC could potentially allow /Black Mage without a net loss of Fast Cast, making the idea of subbing it slightly more respectable.