Concerns about SCH.

[Darkwizardzin]

As far as I know no one has asked for Elemental Celerity

Look at the very first post on this thread.
also you missed my whole point: sch has everything it needs to do it's job and do it well (well almost everything). To say it needs all the "basic" spells that it doesn't have is pretty petty.

Can a sch nuke well: yes
Can a sch enhance well: hell yes
Can a sch enfebble well: yes
Can a sch heal well: no but only because its lacking 1 spell (cure 5)

So the only thing sch has problems with is healing (which im sure will be fixed in the next level cap) and sometimes hate management. (which only bad sch have problems with)

Your asking for sch to get spells it not only doesn't need but is giving even more power to an already powerful job.

Considering the fact that other jobs balance wise are not doing very well (im looking at you Pup,pld and to a lesser extent any dd job that isn't war, mnk, nin) you should be thankful of where the sch job is right now.

[Sotek]

Your asking for sch to get spells it not only doesn't need but is giving even more power to an already powerful job.

Christ... Please explain how spells I already have access to via subjob would be any more powerful if I have access to them on main? Seriously. I'm not suggesting Scholar becomes stronger at all by giving it basic enfeebles, I'm simply suggesting it because it's a matter of completion and there is no reason not to have them.
The only reason anyone has been able to bring up for not having them is that it takes away from Red Mage, but you're all apparently lacking the knowledge that most Scholars are subbing Red Mage and have these spells almost all the time. Not to mention that Red Mage has both a second tier of enfeebles as well as a Job Ability that enhances its enfeebles.

Considering the fact that other jobs balance wise are not doing very well (im looking at you Pup,pld and to a lesser extent any dd job that isn't war, mnk, nin) you should be thankful of where the sch job is right now.

Yes, other jobs could do with adjustments. I'm not posting in the Paladin section asking for Scholar to get anything new though, am I? Or is it against forum rules for me to make suggestions for Scholar in the Scholar section?

I'm well aware asking for these basic spells is a petty suggestion, I'm fairly sure I've said several times that I'm only suggesting it because Scholar also got Blink/Stoneskin/etc. recently, which were in the exact same situation as enfeebles. Suggesting that it would be a game breaker to give Scholar the spells (which I apparently have to keep reminding, Scholar has anyway from subjobs) is preposterous though.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Christ... Please explain how spells I already have access to via subjob would be any more powerful if I have access to them on main? Seriously. I'm not suggesting Scholar becomes stronger at all by giving it basic enfeebles, I'm simply suggesting it because it's a matter of completion and there is no reason not to have them.
The only reason anyone has been able to bring up for not having them is that it takes away from Red Mage, but you're all apparently lacking the knowledge that most Scholars are subbing Red Mage and have these spells almost all the time. Not to mention that Red Mage has both a second tier of enfeebles as well as a Job Ability that enhances its enfeebles.

The point is having them sub job only makes you want to sub job it, that's how it works.

If you get everything naturally then there would be no need for subjobs, it's regardless if they're basic spells or not. Warp and Teleport spells are basic, you still need to /blm and /whm to get them.

Convert, Fast Cast, and all the enfeebles is a reason to /rdm.