Quote Originally Posted by Darkwizardzin View Post
Seems to me you guys want sch to not have it weak points. Sch already has so much that other jobs don't. To ask for rdm only spells like haste and for Elemental Celerity is nothing short of greed.

The point of the Sch job is that it doesn't have everything blm,whm,rdm has but has a general scope from each area and can increase its power with ja.

Besides SE already gave you those basic spells (blink and stoneskin say hi) so you shouldn't ask for more.

The only thing I think sch needs is cure 5 other than that its a powerful and useful job already so stop trying to make it overpowered.
As far as I know no one has asked for Elemental Celerity and Haste isn't Red Mage only. We've been given basic enhancing spells yes, that's pretty much the only reason I really want basic enfeebling spells now.

Quote Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher View Post
T2 enfeebles come at the cost of Merits, so they shouldn't truly be included. The reason they have all those spells is due to the fact they are the Enfeebler... SCH is a battle tactician who learned to use the elements to their advantage despite not being a true mage. Giving them the spells you've said will make them RDM 2.0 without the melee ability. It's 100% not the way SCH should go, it also negates every single jobs benefit as subjob.

They should go down the line off maximising SCH as a unique job, RDM was supposed to be the middle between BLM WHM and WAR, so RDM should be improved in that way. SCH just shouldn't.
Why the hell shouldn't merits be counted? Because they're merits they don't exist? That's ridiculous. Even then, Saboteur pretty much makes Red Mage a better enfeebler regardless, or do Job Abilities not count because the Red Mage might not have reached the level to use it?
I'll repeat it again, but giving Scholar basic spells that aren't even Red Mage specific doesn't mean it can't have its own unique role. If they gave Scholar t1 enfeebles it's not going to become an enfeebler and nothing else, it will remain exactly as what it is now. Unless you care to explain how giving spells that we already have via subjob would change a thing. It's not a matter of overpowering the job, it's just a matter of completion. There is no reason for Scholar not to have such basic spells.