Concerns about SCH.

[Sotek]

The issue with giving that, regardless of if they are subjob is two things.

1. It'll weaken RDM and other jobs who get them, for example: Give them all those spells and the only Enfeebling Spell RDM has left is Addle.
2. It'll weaken the point of a majority of jibs.

Huh? Red Mage will still have t2 Enfeebles, Saboteur and En spells to its name. Basic enfeebles aren't even Red Mage spells, they're Black Mage and White Mage spells. I'm just tired of not having certain spells depending on my subjob. If I want Haste, I lose Bio, Bind, etc. That will change come 99 with sub Red Mage gaining Haste, but even then if I want Stun I'll lose Paralyze, Dia, etc.
The way I see Scholar, it should be able to do everything just to a lesser extent. Black Mage can nuker harder than Scholar can now. White Mage would still manage being a better healer even if we got Cure V (with enmity generation greater than Cure IV that is). Scholar is a good enfeebler, but I can hardly say that when the only enfeebles we get are Sleep, Dispel and Break. Regardless of Scholar getting Paralyze/Bind/Blind/etc, Red Mage would still be better at enfeebling, I see no reason for Scholar not to have those spells at the very least.

@Enmity control. I don't really think it actually is needed in FFXI anymore. White Mage has a ridiculously low rate of enmity gain with Cure V+ and Black Mage can completely wipe its hate free. Most damage dealers can tank as well so they don't really need to worry about enmity either.
Spells that give buffs based on enmity could be interesting however. Something along the lines of a spell greatly increases the damage you deal if you have 80% enmity. Something like that would be an incentive to controlling enmity. Scholar would need more enmity based spells to go with it, say two spells, one that gives +1% enmity and one that gives -1%, but at least then I'd feel that Libra is a useful ability that I should be using with such spells if only to ensure people are dealing optimal damage. As it is now, the Animus spells don't require you to use Libra at all and Libra itself is pretty worthless since enmity control isn't a particularly large issue.

[Agerknux]

As my friend once told me, sch seems to be a confused rdm at this point in time. SE has been trying to make every job unique and adding aga-like strategem and Cure V would just make it more of the same.
What would give sch more of a unique feel is possibly a supportive helix spell, maybe a cure-helix type spell that would have the hate of a spell but regen in large chunks equal to amount of cure V~VI.
Helix spells are also something that got me into sch, which is basically a high tier nuke without all that hate jazz.
My sch is pretty much is sitting in my mh because there are other jobs that do what sch can do, but way better.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Huh? Red Mage will still have t2 Enfeebles, Saboteur and En spells to its name. Basic enfeebles aren't even Red Mage spells, they're Black Mage and White Mage spells. I'm just tired of not having certain spells depending on my subjob. If I want Haste, I lose Bio, Bind, etc. That will change come 99 with sub Red Mage gaining Haste, but even then if I want Stun I'll lose Paralyze, Dia, etc.
The way I see Scholar, it should be able to do everything just to a lesser extent. Black Mage can nuker harder than Scholar can now. White Mage would still manage being a better healer even if we got Cure V (with enmity generation greater than Cure IV that is). Scholar is a good enfeebler, but I can hardly say that when the only enfeebles we get are Sleep, Dispel and Break. Regardless of Scholar getting Paralyze/Bind/Blind/etc, Red Mage would still be better at enfeebling, I see no reason for Scholar not to have those spells at the very least.

@Enmity control. I don't really think it actually is needed in FFXI anymore. White Mage has a ridiculously low rate of enmity gain with Cure V+ and Black Mage can completely wipe its hate free. Most damage dealers can tank as well so they don't really need to worry about enmity either.
Spells that give buffs based on enmity could be interesting however. Something along the lines of a spell greatly increases the damage you deal if you have 80% enmity. Something like that would be an incentive to controlling enmity. Scholar would need more enmity based spells to go with it, say two spells, one that gives +1% enmity and one that gives -1%, but at least then I'd feel that Libra is a useful ability that I should be using with such spells if only to ensure people are dealing optimal damage. As it is now, the Animus spells don't require you to use Libra at all and Libra itself is pretty worthless since enmity control isn't a particularly large issue.

T2 enfeebles come at the cost of Merits, so they shouldn't truly be included. The reason they have all those spells is due to the fact they are the Enfeebler... SCH is a battle tactician who learned to use the elements to their advantage despite not being a true mage. Giving them the spells you've said will make them RDM 2.0 without the melee ability. It's 100% not the way SCH should go, it also negates every single jobs benefit as subjob.

They should go down the line off maximising SCH as a unique job, RDM was supposed to be the middle between BLM WHM and WAR, so RDM should be improved in that way. SCH just shouldn't.

[Sotek]

Seems to me you guys want sch to not have it weak points. Sch already has so much that other jobs don't. To ask for rdm only spells like haste and for Elemental Celerity is nothing short of greed.

The point of the Sch job is that it doesn't have everything blm,whm,rdm has but has a general scope from each area and can increase its power with ja.

Besides SE already gave you those basic spells (blink and stoneskin say hi) so you shouldn't ask for more.

The only thing I think sch needs is cure 5 other than that its a powerful and useful job already so stop trying to make it overpowered.

As far as I know no one has asked for Elemental Celerity and Haste isn't Red Mage only. We've been given basic enhancing spells yes, that's pretty much the only reason I really want basic enfeebling spells now.

T2 enfeebles come at the cost of Merits, so they shouldn't truly be included. The reason they have all those spells is due to the fact they are the Enfeebler... SCH is a battle tactician who learned to use the elements to their advantage despite not being a true mage. Giving them the spells you've said will make them RDM 2.0 without the melee ability. It's 100% not the way SCH should go, it also negates every single jobs benefit as subjob.

They should go down the line off maximising SCH as a unique job, RDM was supposed to be the middle between BLM WHM and WAR, so RDM should be improved in that way. SCH just shouldn't.

Why the hell shouldn't merits be counted? Because they're merits they don't exist? That's ridiculous. Even then, Saboteur pretty much makes Red Mage a better enfeebler regardless, or do Job Abilities not count because the Red Mage might not have reached the level to use it?
I'll repeat it again, but giving Scholar basic spells that aren't even Red Mage specific doesn't mean it can't have its own unique role. If they gave Scholar t1 enfeebles it's not going to become an enfeebler and nothing else, it will remain exactly as what it is now. Unless you care to explain how giving spells that we already have via subjob would change a thing. It's not a matter of overpowering the job, it's just a matter of completion. There is no reason for Scholar not to have such basic spells.