Final Fantasy Vana'Diel Collection 3! (Now with Epic Items~)

[bungiefan]

Curious if anyone who can read Japanese has looked in their forums to see what kind of reaction, if any, they have had. They are a good gauge as to the direction this will go.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...3%A7%E3%83%B33

That seems to be the thread mentioning it. Haven't had a chance to try going after it with Rikaichan yet.

[Birdkiller]

Well, I can see that SE wants to make money, but it's pretty stupid to just over-look everyone who bought expansions as they came out by giving those who haven't a reward. This was the same trend for those who bought the mini-expansions. If this continues, why should anyone buy any of the future expansions when they come out? It's obvious that we'll be rewarded better by not purchasing content as it comes out.

The very least they could do is sell the extra items for like $3~$5 each. All it takes is a registration code right? You could just sell the code, players input it, and get the item without having to buy the expansions again.

[Runespider]

People tend to forget XI had a lot of the same problems that XIV had when it came out and took a while for it to finally be up in running in the way it is. NA players arent aware of it because it came out in JP for around a year before it came over seas. There was a while when it was believed XI would be shut down before it ever made it to the USA.

Aside from the fact that the situation XIV is in is nothing at all like what XI started out with at all (XI had server issues which lead to 2 months free, XIV has been going 6-7 months free now and certainly not due to technical issues..it's just sucks), that was a totally different time anyway. This argument although well overused to try make the situation with XIV less deathly has no relevance on what will or won't happen with 14, it was a totally different time with a playerbase far less demanding and as such stuff that would fly then will not fly now.

A game that launches with no competition for it's audience can get away with a huge amount more and go on to succeed, a game that fails to astronomical levels while surrounded by other MMO's at the top of their game and with many upcoming exciting games looming...not so much. The only hope XIV has is to become a JP PS3 success, and that is all it has because the compeition there is almost non-existent, as such it will be lucky to come close to the player numbers XI has right now and as such will probably never pay for itself.

If you think they won't syphon as much money from XI players to feed into paying for a failed game that costs huge amounts of money to keep running for free and that has cost the company 50+ million to create your crazy.

[Randwolf]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...3%A7%E3%83%B33

That seems to be the thread mentioning it. Haven't had a chance to try going after it with Rikaichan yet.

Not being able to read Japanese and translators do a poor job, it is hard to say what is the main thrust of each post. At the point where the Community Rep explains that it is a code to get the item, there are multiple posts following that seem to talk about the fact that the people who bought all the additions when they came out are being mistreated. The translator I used had one poster calling S/E greedy. Some posts are happy just to get it. At least one post seems to say they don't care because all jobs are above 30. It seems a couple people don't care about the stats but want the item for collection purposes. The last part of the thread then shifts to PS2 and PS3. The first one complaining about how this is PC exclusive. Then complaints about Sony and S/E and no PS3 edition. There even appears to be some posts about how people need to move to PC from PS2 because of limitations.

But, someone who speaks the language would really need to translate. Because, it was obvious that the computer translator definitely misinterpreted what was posted.

[Vivik]

Well, I can see that SE wants to make money, but it's pretty stupid to just over-look everyone who bought expansions as they came out by giving those who haven't a reward.

It's also pretty stupid to overlook the fact that you got what you paid for at the time with no expectation of anything else, yet now expect something in return.

[Arcon]

It's also pretty stupid to overlook the fact that you got what you paid for at the time with no expectation of anything else, yet now expect something in return.

Some might say it's pretty stupid to reiterate things people have already explained several times over to be wrong. No one is expecting anything. The argument is about what's fair, and this move isn't.

[Vivik]

Some might say it's pretty stupid to reiterate things people have already explained several times over to be wrong. No one is expecting anything. The argument is about what's fair, and this move isn't.

About what's fair? Sounds like my 15 year old son talking. So what you're saying is complaining about something not being fair is not an expectation of getting something out of it? Why complain with no expectation?

[Bhujerba]

It's also pretty stupid to overlook the fact that you got what you paid for at the time with no expectation of anything else, yet now expect something in return.

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I know its look bad specially for those who just bought these addons days before the announcement, but those who will buy the collection wont have years+ of abbysea other addons experience and the game itself. oh and the monthly fee is to have access to the game servers, nothing more nothing less (this issue about monthly fee always arise in other MMOs when something outside the game being offered).

This will teach SE not to make awesome collection items anymore lol.

[Karbuncle]

Theres also probably a good share of people who just came back to the game, or started a new character, who could use this hat, but bought the last Vana-collection + Abyssea already.

Their numbers are few, But probably just as few as genuinely new players >___>.

Either way, On the note of "Complaining without expectations". Some people just need to vent, rather their venting gets results generally doesn't matter, just having their opinions heard is enough. you may not agree, but do not rob a man of his right to opinion, even if you disagree

that goes for both sides of the argument.

[Randwolf]

About what's fair? Sounds like my 15 year old son talking. So what you're saying is complaining about something not being fair is not an expectation of getting something out of it? Why complain with no expectation?

Perhaps if he were raised better, he wouldn't do that...j/k. But, most kids complain about everything even though they are pretty much just little homeless people that camp-out in your house, eat your food, and beg for money. The people on this forum are paying, some of them long-term, customers.

Anyway, as had been stated, but people continue to miss the point, the people who are complaining are not doing so because they believe that they are owed something for nothing. The issue is they feel they have done everything these new people will be doing, buying FFXI and all the expansions. But, they did so when they came out, at full price. Also, S/E is not just breaking even on your monthly fees. As a monthly subscriber, you have been helping S/E make profits. Happily playing the game while doing so. But, still contributing to their bottom line.

I truly think there would have been less complaints if S/E simply offered the item to everyone, including the newbies, for $20. Or, attached it to an item like that ridiculous necklace. Again, I agree with the sense of entitlement statement. But, what the point is, is that many of the posters believe that it is a sense of entitlement with justification.

It's also a little annoying that it is only available for PC. After the download fiasco, I need to purchase it again for my 360.