About the Abyssea areas

[Krystal]

Umm.... umad?

please don't make me post a forum macro for derailing a thread...XD keep replies on topic with the thread plz...hehe

[kaht]

Ok, here's on topic - this argument has been beaten to death over the last 8 months. 1 person says put a cap on the zone, everybody else says no thanks. Wait 2 weeks, another thread pops up.

Lather.
Rinse.
Repeat.

[Krystal]

Ok, here's on topic - this argument has been beaten to death over the last 8 months. 1 person says put a cap on the zone, everybody else says no thanks. Wait 2 weeks, another thread pops up.

Lather.
Rinse.
Repeat.

ya well i'll necro this thread if i have to so that it gets through the higher ups in SE that something is WRONG with the level cap and abyssea as a whole. and please reply with something that contributes to the thread. your reply was an attempt at killing the discussion all together. that's rather annoying.

[kaht]

that's rather annoying.

So, it fits the theme of the thread.

[Teakwood]

Skillups are easy to get.

People who don't have any idea how to play their jobs? This -always- happened. I've partied with a million idiots who hit 75 pre-abyssea and didn't know their way out of a paper bag with two hands and a map. Just be thankful it makes the game less of a mindless grind for those of us who -do- know what we're doing.

It is still pretty brutally difficult to get your first job to 90; I'm guiding a number of new players through the game at the moment and while removed level caps are a godsend (I'll admit I'm glad I did CoP while it was difficult, but by the same token I enjoy being able to blitz missions for friends) it's very difficult to make the first climb to 90 if you're new to the game. The levels in between around 45 and 70 are -completely brutal- unless you know people who'll let you leech in Abyssea or have a low-man XP group that meets consistently. I'm not sure what could be done to counteract this that hasn't already been done, to be honest, but if I -do- have a problem with the ease of Abyssea XP, it's that it has become incredibly difficult to put together "old school" XP parties. In a lot of ways I consider this an acceptable loss as there are alternatives and I hate XP grinding, however.

[Krystal]

Skillups are easy to get.

People who don't have any idea how to play their jobs? This -always- happened. I've partied with a million idiots who hit 75 pre-abyssea and didn't know their way out of a paper bag with two hands and a map. Just be thankful it makes the game less of a mindless grind for those of us who -do- know what we're doing.

It is still pretty brutally difficult to get your first job to 90; I'm guiding a number of new players through the game at the moment and while removed level caps are a godsend (I'll admit I'm glad I did CoP while it was difficult, but by the same token I enjoy being able to blitz missions for friends) it's very difficult to make the first climb to 90 if you're new to the game. The levels in between around 45 and 70 are -completely brutal- unless you know people who'll let you leech in Abyssea or have a low-man XP group that meets consistently. I'm not sure what could be done to counteract this that hasn't already been done, to be honest, but if I -do- have a problem with the ease of Abyssea XP, it's that it has become incredibly difficult to put together "old school" XP parties. In a lot of ways I consider this an acceptable loss as there are alternatives and I hate XP grinding, however.

level grinding has ALWAYS and will ALWAYS be a part of MMOs as a whole. The point however is earning these levels in a fashion that is enjoyable but difficult enough that you can look back and say"ya...i earned those levels! i worked my tail off for every single one of them!" if not for bragging rights it is something you can look back on and take pride in. When a player brags about his level 90 he got over night in abyssea it's nothing more than a hollow achievement for them. they didn't earn those levels. they had them handed to them. players like them are what make MMO not as enjoyable if not annoying for us players who work for our levels and look back at the pre-abyssea days and remember what it was like to work with others for them. i myself have many fond memories of those days. now at days however i look at FFXI's current state and want to beat the crap out of the guy(s) who even mentioned the idea of "Abyssea". it's not a matter of jealousy as it is the fact that players take for granted what they got. they have no idea how to play their jobs. leave FFXI in it's current state the it will die an horrible death that includes thousands of players who don't know how to play their jobs for crap.

[Leylia]

I also vote for a 75+ restriction for the Abyssea areas like the OP. I sea no valid reason why the hell it should be accessable to a character level 30+ Everything in the zone and may it be the weakest monster there is, will one shot that character and if it were done, would annihilate a whole level 30 alliance within a mere fraction of a minute. So why allow a character to join those areas.

Going there is absolutly pointless at that level. Oh it is not? It is for leveling I hear? Leveling what? If a character lv 30 "levels in there" it is nothing else than leeching while doing nothing and even if you are the chest opener, all you do is /item "forbidden key" <t> which cannot be considered leveling in my opinion. It is just plain wrong.

Not only does it leave you without skill ups or actual training for your so "awesomely leveled job" but it also destroys all the other zones outside of Abyssea and the meaning of leveling up itself. Can one possibly be proud of a character leeched from 30 to 90 in a day? Can one possibly feel accomplished about that? If so, for what? "Yay I got 15 level 90 jobs in a month!!!" maybe? Honestly, awesome done, really, your better at leeching than a Poison Leech from Buburimu, I'd be proud of that as well.

The levels in between around 45 and 70 are -completely brutal- unless you know people who'll let you leech in Abyssea or have a low-man XP group that meets consistently.

Oh yeah, is that so? Is that why you want the cap to stay so low? Now let us think about why it is so "unnamely brutal to find a good working XP party, du or trio! I give you five seconds, 1, 2 ... actually I just name it: It is exactly that low Abyssea requirment. I have gotten answers of level 40s like "No, I am waiting for an Abyssea shout where I can be the key person" or "No, I only accept Abyssea". All I could do is shake my head at these people.

1 person says put a cap on the zone, everybody else says no thanks. Wait 2 weeks, another thread pops up.

1 person every 2 weeks and EVERYONE else is against it? Uhm let us just go through this thread: I count... 1, uhm, 2, oh look there a 3rd... that's already worth 6 weeks of 1 vs all fighting. Honestly, your judgment is far of. Almost all the people I know would vote for a higher level requirment namely 75+ or even 80+ and I can see many more people in this thread already than you are ready to acknowledge.

To populate the normal maps again and bring back the fun of leveling up, Abyssea has to be closed for lower levels for good. I didn't enjoy myself as much as I did about a month ago, when I actually got a party in East Ronfaure [S] with my lv 62 THF (I was more than ready to sync it down to finally do a party out of abyssea) when the XP was still so "awefully low and leveling even more brutal and humiliating" than it is now. I rather work for my level than doing nothing and leeching and so I stayed there for about 6hours and not a single minute has been boring, while leeching in Abyssea is boring from the first minute on!

[Krystal]

I also vote for a 75+ restriction for the Abyssea areas like the OP. I sea no valid reason why the hell it should be accessable to a character level 30+ Everything in the zone and may it be the weakest monster there is, will one shot that character and if it were done, would annihilate a whole level 30 alliance within a mere fraction of a minute. So why allow a character to join those areas.

Going there is absolutly pointless at that level. Oh it is not? It is for leveling I hear? Leveling what? If a character lv 30 "levels in there" it is nothing else than leeching while doing nothing and even if you are the chest opener, all you do is /item "forbidden key" <t> which cannot be considered leveling in my opinion. It is just plain wrong.

Not only does it leave you without skill ups or actual training for your so "awesomely leveled job" but it also destroys all the other zones outside of Abyssea and the meaning of leveling up itself. Can one possibly be proud of a character leeched from 30 to 90 in a day? Can one possibly feel accomplished about that? If so, for what? "Yay I got 15 level 90 jobs in a month!!!" maybe? Honestly, awesome done, really, your better at leeching than a Poison Leech from Buburimu, I'd be proud of that as well.


Oh yeah, is that so? Is that why you want the cap to stay so low? Now let us think about why it is so "unnamely brutal to find a good working XP party, du or trio! I give you five seconds, 1, 2 ... actually I just name it: It is exactly that low Abyssea requirment. I have gotten answers of level 40s like "No, I am waiting for an Abyssea shout where I can be the key person" or "No, I only accept Abyssea". All I could do is shake my head at these people.


1 person every 2 weeks and EVERYONE else is against it? Uhm let us just go through this thread: I count... 1, uhm, 2, oh look there a 3rd... that's already worth 6 weeks of 1 vs all fighting. Honestly, your judgment is far of. Almost all the people I know would vote for a higher level requirment namely 75+ or even 80+ and I can see many more people in this thread already than you are ready to acknowledge.

To populate the normal maps again and bring back the fun of leveling up, Abyssea has to be closed for lower levels for good. I didn't enjoy myself as much as I did about a month ago, when I actually got a party in East Ronfaure [S] with my lv 62 THF (I was more than ready to sync it down to finally do a party out of abyssea) when the XP was still so "awefully low and leveling even more brutal and humiliating" than it is now. I rather work for my level than doing nothing and leeching and so I stayed there for about 6hours and not a single minute has been boring, while leeching in Abyssea is boring from the first minute on!

as i make one hell of a quote...i have one thing to say to this....THANK YOU! someone who not only agrees with my statement but has flat out made every single ney-sayer's reply irrelevant in a matter of fairness. i gotta bow to you on this...your reply not only was contributing to this thread but proved many valid points and reenforced many of my own^^

I agree with you on the fact it is boring inside of abyssea...i don't know what else to say really as you have basically just covered anything i could think of at the moment...^^;

[Greatguardian]

No one is forcing anyone to exp in Abyssea. Players who wish to grind their levels the old fashioned way have that option. Personally, I appreciate being able to take a job up to 90 in a week or two if I want to try it out. Leveling isn't hard, but being competent, well-geared, and properly skilled requires just as much effort as it did before Abyssea's release.

It's a long-standing tradition at this point for malcontents to blame the "Death of FFXI" and all of their in-game woes on the most recent expansion or patch. To be honest, it becomes increasingly difficult for any experienced player to take rants like this seriously because of how common they are. With any given change in the game, some people will like it and some will not. However, what really does bother me about this particular wave of criticism is that those unhappy with Abyssea seem to blame Abyssea for bad players while negating said player's responsibility for their own actions.

No matter what system SE decides to implement in FFXI, someone, somewhere will figure out how to abuse it. Even if Abyssea EXP and/or entry requirements were nerfed, people could just Summoner Burn if they were so inclined. The problem is not Abyssea, or any other game mechanic. If players burn themselves up to 90 and then don't buy spells, skill up their weapons/magics, or buy even basic gear, then the player themselves is the one at fault. They are responsible for their own character, their own skills, and their own spells.

Now here's what people fail to realize: If you're somehow being inconvenienced by one of these lazy players, e.g., you're in a Dynamis or an Abyssea group with a WHM who doesn't have Raise 2 or Curaga 3, you can always elect to not participate with said person or to inform your group's leader and ask that said person be replaced by someone with proper spells and skills. This is not as hard as it sounds. Many people are absolutely terrified of being "rude" to lazy players these days, and because of this they end up very frustrated. I would be frustrated too if I was "forced" to do things with obviously incompetent people for the sake of being polite or nice.

However, the nice thing about Abyssea is that you don't need a swarm of 18 people to get anything done right now. If you yourself are a competent person, you will doubtlessly be able to find a couple other sensible, competent people to complete Abyssea and other events with. Who cares what lazy people do? How does it affect you? As much as I dislike the age-old "$12.95" argument, as long as someone is not actively interfering with my ability to enjoy the game I could really care less what they do.

[Rionaheart]

as i make one hell of a quote...i have one thing to say to this....THANK YOU! someone who not only agrees with my statement but has flat out made every single ney-sayer's reply irrelevant in a matter of fairness. i gotta bow to you on this...your reply not only was contributing to this thread but proved many valid points and reenforced many of my own^^

I agree with you on the fact it is boring inside of abyssea...i don't know what else to say really as you have basically just covered anything i could think of at the moment...^^;

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