Quietus improvement, can I have it?

[Natasha]

So, first off I do not have redemption (though I have been working on it) or the fake one (+2) so I do not have a 'perfect' understanding of what this ws can do. That being said the general opinion of quietus and the polearm empy ws (as I understand they are exactly the same, not counting animation and name) is that they are trash and not really worth getting. This, for me is unacceptable. Both scythe and polearm are the primary weapons of the jobs using them and while great sword does deserve a little attention that doesn't mean quietus should be trash. Now i'm sure not all of you will say its trash, that it will do fine outside of abyssea in the future, this may be but regardless of how you look at it the ws is not worth the time put into it.

As I understand it, quietus is 3x damage with a % def. ignored increased with tp ( mods: 40% mnd and str , 3x across the board ftp)

• just for comparison, torcleaver is 3x but with ftp multipliers up to 6.5
• the nin empy ws is 4x with reasonable ftp multipliers
• even sidewinder, a ws earned through normal skilling is 4x with high ftp modifiers
• and I cannot be sure but i believe you may even do better using spinning slash or ground strike under the right conditions

Many single hit (regular) weapon skills will hit stronger than quietus under the right conditions.

This (these, drg should get something nice too even though they have a host of decent polearm weapon skills as is... and scythe ... has guillotine... which is also not so great) weapon skill needs a fix of some sort. I have heard some things about SE doing some upgrades to relics sometime soon, if that is true this should get a boost at the same time.

I really wouldnt be able to suggest any way for them to upgrade the weapon skill without someone complaining about it (I don't think) but if you guys have ideas on how they could, post them. Personally, I would say make it x5 rather than x3 maybe with an increase in the amount of def ignored with tp (maybe 20% at 100, 40% at 200, and 60% at 300?) .... I dont think thats too much ... but ANYTHING to make it actually worth something.

Note: I know empys have a reputation of being extremely easy/quick to obtian, but you need the correct setup to do that. I would say the 'average' player either will not obtain one or take a good bit of time to get one. No evidence backing that up aside from my own experience, hated to do lotto spawn nms and doing Chloris.

Please THINK before you go ego crazy to put down the idea. That being said, discussion is welcome, this is a forum after all.

[ruzoko]

I have to agree Quietus needs an improvement from all Ive been hearing from Drks who have obtained the weapon and upgraded it to 90. They say the weapon is junk and far prefer Apocalypse to it or even Guillotine as opposed to the actual empyrean weapon skill itself, i myself have nearly completed both relic and empyrean scythe and will be able to test myself eventually which comes out on top, but from what i hear Redemption is a waste of time and Quietus is often seen as a joke of a weapon skill. If it is to become a more useful weapon something has to be done to make Quietus do more damage, because its going to be sad to say "I have a 90 Redemption and i prefer Guillotine over Quietus"

[Raksha]

• just for comparison, torcleaver is 3x but with ftp multipliers up to 6.5
• the nin empy ws is 4x with reasonable ftp multipliers
• even sidewinder, a ws earned through normal skilling is 4x with high ftp modifiers
• and I cannot be sure but i believe you may even do better using spinning slash or ground strike under the right conditions

idk about any of the rest of that, but Sidewinder is a single hit WS with a static 5.0 ftp modifier.

[Jar]

idk about any of the rest of that, but Sidewinder is a single hit WS with a static 5.0 ftp modifier.

read all the weaponskills descriptions. they said quadruple damage and such~ that's what he means by the 3x and 4x

[Natasha]

idk about any of the rest of that, but Sidewinder is a single hit WS with a static 5.0 ftp modifier.

yes, the description is : "Delivers an inaccurate attack that deals quadruple damage. Accuracy varies with TP."

If in saying that it had higher ftp modifiers you got confused I am sorry, I simply meant that the multipliers are higher.

[Jar]

yes, the description is : "Delivers an inaccurate attack that deals quadruple damage. Accuracy varies with TP."

If in saying that it had higher ftp modifiers you got confused I am sorry, I simply meant that the multipliers are higher.

so you quoted him to say the exact same thing?

[Natasha]

so you quoted him to say the exact same thing?

I quoted him in an attempt to clarify.

[Jar]

I quoted him in an attempt to clarify.

fantastic?

[Jar]

Id like to see both torcleaver and Quietus buffed i have Caladbolg and it is lame to see a war raging rush for more than torcleaver..

[Natasha]

I imagine that is inside abyssea?