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    Quote Originally Posted by Fretion View Post
    Yes, something needs to be done for both Campaign and Besieged ... I haven't seen a level 8 besieged in months. There may have been one or two in that time, but I wasn't online at the time, and apparently we lost. Highest I've seen in awhile was a level 5.
    Before Abyssea, I would say then that the penalties for losing and not retaining the Astral Candescence need to be (significantly!) increased.

    The problem is: That can only work within the context of ToAU areas, and how many people are actually playing in ToAU these days?
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  2. #22
    Player thefinalrune's Avatar
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    Thankfully Besieged has/is always worthwhile on Siren, but our Campaign front is abysmal. Currently this week beastmen control every zone except for Meriphatuad Mts. Between the increased difficulty adjustment made to the mobs preventing level 60-70 players from actually having any hope of being able to fight on par with the forces, the complete and utter lack of incentive to retake lost zones because of the removal of the fortification skill ups and worthless EXP gain from wall bashing all compounded by the rather useless EXP gain rates overall in comparison to even soloing now; campaign has just become another sad lost and forgotten aspect of the game, much like chocobo racing, pankration, garrison, ballista and brenner.

    There's simply no motivation to do it. It's been the eternal flaw of all MMOs, with new content comes the loss and degradation of the old content as its left out to rot for newer and shinier things.

    What all these forgotten relics of the game really need is a new balanced reward incentive akin to current game standards set by Abyssea.
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    10 years ago Squaresoft was great. 10 years ago Hironobu Sakaguchi left Squaresoft. 10 years ago Square's profits were at an all time high. In the last 10 years their profits have done nothing but decline. Coincidence, I think not. Do yourself and the fans a favor SE, bring back Sakaguchi. Bring back the awesome you once had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thefinalrune View Post
    Thankfully Besieged has/is always worthwhile on Siren, but our Campaign front is abysmal. Currently this week beastmen control every zone except for Meriphatuad Mts. Between the increased difficulty adjustment made to the mobs preventing level 60-70 players from actually having any hope of being able to fight on par with the forces, the complete and utter lack of incentive to retake lost zones because of the removal of the fortification skill ups and worthless EXP gain from wall bashing all compounded by the rather useless EXP gain rates overall in comparison to even soloing now; campaign has just become another sad lost and forgotten aspect of the game, much like chocobo racing, pankration, garrison, ballista and brenner.
    As far as your Besieged record goes on Siren, that's probably about the only reason more people play on Siren.

    I've routinely seen less than 100 people doing Besieged on Leviathan recently, and they used to be one of the better servers before the "Let's Skill Up In Besieged" philosophy soured the playing field there too.

    The fact is that there are two types of motivation: Encouragement and punishment. Abyssea provides the former -- perhaps quite too freely. I think losing zones or the Candescence might do well to provide the latter...
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    Player Magnus's Avatar
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    Thank the bard-bots. Because Square-Enix refused to ban them (see "fraud" quote I've put in a couple of other posts), they finally just had to remove that from the equation due to abuse.

    Please, Square-Enix, do this with Besieged next
    Im not sure I follow, I thought the bard-bots were for experience, not for skill. i know both were adjusted around same time but didnt think they were the same patch.
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  5. #25
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    I know this is a bit of a necro, and I know there are other topics which have the same suggestion. However, I don't recall seeing any dev response to this specific request yet, so I'm going to add my $0.02.

    I would also like to see skillups in campaign. When campaign was first added, it was a nice alternative method to xp. The treasure was a nice added bonus. As such, there needed to be some drawback to campaigning. Lack of skillups made sense.

    Now, I don't need xp. There are so many great alternatives to xp, that I could care less about the xp caps going up on campaign. And if I want xp without skillups, I can leech in abyssea or even GoV. And the limited amount of treasure in campaign is not enough to motivate me to participate.

    The fix? Add skillups. I need a place where I can go beat on things at fairly low risk, and gain skill with my weapons. I would even be willing do campaign for skillups in lieu of xp, so long as my efforts still counted toward medals/evaluations.
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    Last edited by Vxsote; 07-30-2011 at 06:11 AM.

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    Player Kraggy's Avatar
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    Actually, when Campaign first arrived there weren't any treasure drops, even back then there were no skill-ups with tags, then SE got spiteful and even removed the risky option to get skill-ups without tags.
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    Player Tsukino_Kaji's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraggy View Post
    Actually, when Campaign first arrived there weren't any treasure drops, even back then there were no skill-ups with tags, then SE got spiteful and even removed the risky option to get skill-ups without tags.
    I miss those skill ups.
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    Player Gropitou's Avatar
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    Give us skillups in Campaign NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!
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    Down with PS2 Emulation / Give us PS3 Native software

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    Player Kriegsgott's Avatar
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    btw does anyone know how many replys or likes or views a thread need before anyone from the lazy Devteam takes a look into it ?
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    Player Behemothx's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kriegsgott View Post
    btw does anyone know how many replys or likes or views a thread need before anyone from the lazy Devteam takes a look into it ?
    Over 9000!! ^^
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    Behemothx - Leviathan
    WAR - DNC - BLM - SMN - THF - WHM - SCH - BLU - RDM - BRD - BST - COR

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