Beastmen's Medal for 300 Login Points?

[Velner]

Is it true that Beastmen's Medals will be 300 points in the new Login Campaign? This creates an opportunity to just keep recreating a character, get the first time 500 login bonus, get a Beastmen's Medal, send it to another character, delete that character and recreate it, get the 500 bonus etc etc. It's basically a legal way to dupe Beastmen's Medals. That seems bad.

[Tehant]

Isn't it all legal? Why not and why shouldn't they do things like sell items for store bought currency.

[Voidstorm]

Is it true that Beastmen's Medals will be 300 points in the new Login Campaign? This creates an opportunity to just keep recreating a character, get the first time 500 login bonus, get a Beastmen's Medal, send it to another character, delete that character and recreate it, get the 500 bonus etc etc. It's basically a legal way to dupe Beastmen's Medals. That seems bad.

Only issues i see is beastmen's medal is too expensive, make it 100, and day 0 created characters should not be getting login points. a 3-day pause on login points should be plenty to avoid duping.

[Zenion]

Well, there you go. Problem solved. Now instead of rampant duping of beastmen's medals, we have a login campaign that will, if you sink all your points into it, reward you with almost one piece of reforged relic armor +2.

Shards for 1000 points might have been a better solution; it would only have been an 11% increase in the effective cost of the reward instead of 150%, but it would have moved it out of reach of freshly-made characters to minimize the duping concerns. Players could have finished one and a half pieces of gear (less than the two for 3600 points they could have gotten, but still way better than, I can't stress this enough, almost one at 3750 points for one shard and two medals.)

A voucher to just pay for the shard cost on any one piece of reforged relic +2 armor, priced anywhere from 750 to 1500 points depending on whether the aim is to get people into that gear easily or just to be a little treat, would also work very well without flooding the economy with high-value items... but that would have required a little more planning ahead, maybe it's an idea for a future iteration.

[Alhanelem]

"We're so sorry we made the beastmen medals too cheap so people can't get the items they need from Dynamis too easily."

Like really why did someone complain about this?

cost was raised to 750 login points.

[Zenion]

Excerpts from FFXIAH:

Actually, if you can code, you can get a free ~3k medals (per account). Every time you start a character you get 500 login points.

Start, medal, trade, delete, repeat nonstop for the entire 21 days.

Offering them is fine, the problem is how low the price is and that new characters can buy them since they get 500 points. It encourages delete > remake over and over.

They should set the price at 1k or it will be heavily abused, it is in effect duping.

It invalidates w1 of dyna-divergence, which gets little enough attention as it is. I'm not saying a whole lot of people go in and kill boss for medals, but it's an extra prize for doing a quick in-and-out boss for someone. People farming W1 creates shards at a cheaper rate than medals and provides a secondary market.

Is it really that much better to have a handful of RMT sitting on 50,000 medals and providing all of them at 300k/pop so you can upgrade easily? Why not make everything worth very little gil? For that matter, why not make a NPC that lets you select which r/ex pieces you'd like and get them for free?

TL;DR we can't have nice things because RMT, and tanking beastmen's medals risks stranding players who can't clear wave 1 without help from established players who will have no extrinsic incentive to help without the chance of a ~700k drop.

[Velner]

"We're so sorry we made the beastmen medals too cheap so people can't get the items they need from Dynamis too easily."

Like really why did someone complain about this?

cost was raised to 750 login points.

I made it clear why I complained about this in the OP. . . it created a situation where players could easily get infinite Beastmen's Medals due to a new character getting the 500-point first time login bonus. And it wasn't really complaining, but was just pointing out a possible oversight. . . and it turns out it was.

[Alhanelem]

I made it clear why I complained about this in the OP. . . it created a situation where players could easily get infinite Beastmen's Medals due to a new character getting the 500-point first time login bonus. And it wasn't really complaining, but was just pointing out a possible oversight. . . and it turns out it was.

My understanding is new characters can't immediately particiapte in the login campaigns. Other such things that give away free(ish) stuff like the mystery box require a certain amount of time to elapse before new characters can use them. And honestly, repeatedly creating new characters to get more of these items is a bit of an ordeal (I suppose RMT bots might do it but the medals will be devalued which makes it less lucrative). Dynamis is more time gated by its entry limitations than by its item drops anyway.

But yeah, once again, we can't have nice things because RMT.

Frankly, after the update I noticed something else that's not clear if it was intended or not, but I"m not going to be the party pooper that ruins a good thing for anyone else (for once). It's the sort of thing I'd expect SE to notice if it wasn't something they meant to do.

[Rinuko]

Unless it changed in the past 1-2 updates, a fresh character can use login points day 1.

But even with this change, those that want can still stockpile but will take 4 days instead of spamming.

[Catmato]

My understanding is new characters can't immediately particiapte in the login campaigns.

You are mistaken. Brand new characters get 500 login points to be used instantly. Making the medals 500 points or less would mean an infinite supply. It has nothing to do with RMT.