Charm BST vs Jug Pet BST

[Beastorizer]

Fellow BST, which one did you enjoy the most?

Personally, I liked charm BST with Jugs being an "Oh $hit" button for a few reasons......

1) The job had a niche. Currently, BST is in no man's land......

2) We didn't have to wait for them to release new jugs (This is really annoying....really...).

3) The job felt better (Imo). BST felt like an explorer back in the day. To tame specific mobs, BST had to venture to specific places.

Man, I really wish they to lighten up on what can be charmed. Example, BST have Raaz and Hippo jugs, but can't charm them (Huh?). Creatures like Yztargs using Beastruction isn't really broken when players are doing that in CP/JP parties sometimes anyway lol......

(The last thing I found that was odd, is how jugs can SC, but charmed mobs cannot).

[Gwydion]

Same. I loved charming pets and playing with other beast masters. Cape Terrigan and The Boyahda Tree were great for this.

[Gwydion]

Right now, BST is still very difficult to play with either Charmed pets or Jug Pets. My abilities are restricted due to the 6-yalm limitation and frequently do not activate. This varies tremendously as the mob's size and center coordinate varies from mob to mob.

I know many folks have posted about this before, but it is an extremely frustrating, unpredictable and inconsistent experience.

[Voidstorm]

I leveled BST to 75 before WotG release.
Really enjoyed the experience whenever I could team up with another BST or two.
Charming always got you a strong pet with high HP to tank the hits long enough for you to be able to stay/leave it outside agro range and get a different mob to charm.
If you really wanted to keep your pet instead just use pet food.
No way to play BST the same way as back then, as often we would be 15' away from the enemy, hitting fight/sic, while we fought different mob at lower HP.
Vrtra was BST only territory as we could do our abilities outside charmga range. SE destroyed old BST when they implemented the 6' limit.
They should let us charm Apex & Locus mobs. They should also remove the NM resistance to killer effects. I was so disappointed when back when Delve was first introduced only to discover the pets i made to help improve the party's DMG via Killer Instinct were nerf'd against all the mobs that mattered inside.

Nyame being [Rare] is the worst though. We finally get an actually great pet: Damage taken- set, but you can't make it since BST, PUP, & SMN are used on so few occasions that no one would ever pick path D.

[Alhanelem]

Even when Charm was relevant, there were too many things it didn't work on/ couldn't work on for it to be something to rely upon. This is the whole reason they pivoted to jug pets, because tbe BST is useless if it can't get a pet because there's nothing to charm.

[Gwydion]

Even when Charm was relevant, there were too many things it didn't work on/ couldn't work on for it to be something to rely upon. This is the whole reason they pivoted to jug pets, because tbe BST is useless if it can't get a pet because there's nothing to charm.

I see your point. SE also kind of pivoted away from open world/outside NMs were charmed pets could be used in a resourceful way. Now, everything is instanced or without nearby mobs to use. Also, NOTHING in BSTs merits supports the "front-line DD" play style they are suggesting.

Idea/Question: What if the 6-yalm restriction was changed from the monster to the player? ...I imagine using any ability with our pet in OUR radius is much more manageable than the MOB's 6-yalm radius? Thoughts?

[Alhanelem]

Same. I loved charming pets and playing with other beast masters. Cape Terrigan and The Boyahda Tree were great for this.

The problem is BST never really fit in with anything else. And in the Charm days, there were often big cliques of BSTS who would pull HNMs and spend hours throwing pets at them and were regularly looked down upon for this. I personally think any BST update should be centered on making them more valuable in a group rather than only with each other.

[BobbinT]

Sorry, even by WotG era, charmed pets already long past its usefulness, it's more like emergency cases which even by then felt very limited, hence the need of jugs. I know this being BST main on WotG era, still very glad with the job helping me clear majority of pre-SoA content on solo, which then quickly had to abandon during start of SoA, being jugs becoming very useless despite spent so much time gearing the job. Not sure going to touch the job again even as of current, especially now with trusts literally makes huge QoL over soloing stuff.

Still sad my double Astolfos desperately made back then are now just a mere 2-space burden sitting in mine locker, still unwilling to part with em despite they will ever have the use again especially being a non Empy, just mere trial weapons. And don't ask why so dumb making double of those, being a very long forgotten advice all the way back then, had knowing the future of their fates would probably go toward REM versions instead.

[Voidstorm]

The problem is BST never really fit in with anything else. And in the Charm days, there were often big cliques of BSTS who would pull HNMs and spend hours throwing pets at them and were regularly looked down upon for this. I personally think any BST update should be centered on making them more valuable in a group rather than only with each other.

Okay, let us charm the ads that spawn in Odyssey Gaol.
that would seriously help, especially if when charmed the boss loses the regen it would otherwise gain from having the add present.

[Gwydion]

Okay, let us charm the ads that spawn in Odyssey Gaol.
that would seriously help, especially if when charmed the boss loses the regen it would otherwise gain from having the add present.

This would be great. I hate that BST's role as a front-line DD is extremely speculative right now AND ...Charm and Gauge are completely useless in Item Level content. (Also, just to compare for a moment, look at all of the new Group 2 Merits Red Mage got ...while BST received 0 merit changes, when it clearly needs it!).