Elemental Trials - Fire/Light

[Eeek]

And nobody's asking for the abolition of a little effort here and there and otherwise do prefer reasonable trials over camping against a bunch of botters. However, you simply can't say all trials are created equal when mob variance is bad enough, but then you can add sparse weather requirements on top to artificially slow the process. People who have to kill Soulflayers, Peistes, and Hippogryphs get my sympathy, in part because of the mobs and all associated with them while the other is the strength of the weapon itself at the time. Not everyone has a Cleave Party on demand, nor are the listed mobs regularly chosen for that.

So, just because you might be okay with something doesn't exactly make it fine, or the other person speaking against it a mouthbreathing whiner. Fairness and fun in a game we pay to play should be a given, not tedium and hassle.

I completed trials against Peistes (plus about 200 Quadav D and Hippogryphs, all done solo, before the level 75 cap was lifted. I nuked down 250+ Wyverns, solo, before Scars of Abyssea and its wyvern camps were released. I completed weapons before trials were adjusted to reduce the number of kills and to grant 5 points per kill during weather.

Yes, I know the painful side of Trial of the Magians. And I succeeded anyways. All it required was effort and patience.

(And yes, I too was ecstatic when the Dev Team adjusted the trials to reduce kills and add the weather bonus. It made it much faster for me to complete desired weapons in the little time I had available.)

Not all players have the same innate capabilities, so you're right in a sense - it's unfair for me to assume that all players are willing (or even capable) of setting a Magian weapon goal, doing some simple research, constructing a plan, and executing said plan with whatever time they have available. Some people just don't have the capacity to construct and enact a plan that's any more complicated than a trip to the local fast food joint. I forgot to take that into consideration.

Heck, apparently some players still struggle mightily to acquire +1 seals for their favorite jobs. I had no idea this was an issue considering the wide array of easily-accessible NMs and Abyssea Quests! I sincerely hope that the Battlefields system will help them achieve their goals.

I don't read Alla at all, but I do know you're one of their Gurus. If one of their Gurus is struggling this much with Magian trials, then it must be a much bigger issue than I had realized. God only knows how frustrated the non-Guru Alla players are right now. A lot of adjustments have already been made to Magian trials, but if you and players like you need a helping hand, I hope SE takes another look at the trials to see what can be done.

[Raksha]

I've completed about 10 Magian weapons over the course of the past year, and I've had no problems getting them done.

Want to know why? Patience.

Like many other players, I'm not so naive as to believe that I can (and should!) finish any weapon within a day or two. Waiting for the right seasons/weather/days is just part of the process, and so are asinine trial requirements. It's easily surmounted by effort. A little progress here and there added together over enough time will yield a complete trial.

After two weeks, my Cure Potency staff is a little less than halfway done, and I'm perfectly OK with that. I work on it when I have time, and just like my Thunder and Ice Damage staves, I'll complete it eventually. My Daka +2 (WoE Empyrean Dagger) also took about a month to complete. No big deal. Consistent effort over time yields results, but not enough people realize this - they simply cannot look past obstacles in the short term.

I finished 2 daggers in 1 day each, i finished magian staves, solo on SCH (no GA nukes) took about a week per. I think i'm pretty damn patient. Like i said, i dont think it should be over in 1 day, but if 1 week is doable by single target nuking mobs, then i think a STR bow should be comparable WITH A PARTY OF 6-12 PEOPLE.

[RAIST]

I finished 2 daggers in 1 day each, i finished magian staves, solo on SCH (no GA nukes) took about a week per. I think i'm pretty damn patient. Like i said, i dont think it should be over in 1 day, but if 1 week is doable by single target nuking mobs, then i think a STR bow should be comparable WITH A PARTY OF 6-12 PEOPLE.

Just out of curiosity, what leg of the bow trial is holding you up?

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Archery_Trials

Some of those legs can be done just as fast (if not faster) in abyssea on firesday, possibly even not much longer in normal areas--especially if you are getting 6-12 people together.

[Raksha]

Just out of curiosity, what leg of the bow trial is holding you up?

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Archery_Trials

Some of those legs can be done just as fast (if not faster) in abyssea on firesday, possibly even not much longer in normal areas--especially if you are getting 6-12 people together.

Yeah i did all this before abyssea, and it left such bad taste in my mouth i havent bothered to try it anymore (that plus RNG sucks these days).

I gave up on manticores because i started that trial as soon as abyssea came out so everyone (including me) was interested in that and no one was partying up to kill them, and since RNG cant solo worth a damn i just gave up. But even before that flans and wamoura were a PITA also.

Probably not even gonna bother with the bow now anyway, since everyone is all "empy or gtfo" but I was considering doing STR daggers.

[Ezikiel]

YES MAKE SCHOLAR SPELLS COUNT THAT WOULD BE A MAJOR HELP IN THIS LOOK AT SPELL DESCRIPTION CHANGES WEATHER AROUND YOU JEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ!

[Seriha]

Nice little attempt at a personal insult there or even that another forum's rating system somehow correlates to the quality of the game. Since you presume to speak of my own personal progress, I'll spare you my own laundry list of completed items or those in progress. After all, you know me, right?

I'm speaking on this matter because I have no desire to pass off the more excessive tediums to the players that follow in my own or the footsteps of others. The general premise of an MMO is that it is a community game that evolves. As with the general concept of humanity and progress, we have striven to better the lives of future generations, not hold them back because we had to go through some tough stuff and so, they should too. Stop trying to shovel your own personal value of some 0s and 1s you've acquired onto others you'll likely never play with and have shown restraint in talking down to. Meanwhile, I'll be glad that random people I play with in the future could be better equipped if presented issues are addressed.

[RAIST]

Currently on my 7th SMN staff, which will be my 24th elemental weapon to +2 stage in addition to several physical weapons to +1 (one to +2).

I never once specifically formed a party to do these things--I struck out solo and put up the details in /seacom (even set a macro on some jobs to setup the long ones automatically when I logged in). If I happened to run into people on the same target, we teamed up.

Like Eeek said...elemental paths aren't all that bad if you do the prep work and use your time more wisely.

[RAIST]

Still see peeps teaming up for manticores on firesday in terrigan on our server. May be more the timing though--it's mostly during JP primetime. Otherwise, only really see people going after manticore in altep (A) on the weekends. I was able to cut through them pretty quick on SAM when I started my +2 StoreTP line. Got to the first 100 WSs really quick, then got sidetracked on some NM hunts...need to get in there and finish that thing one day (700 more WS to do...something for when I'm REALLY bored).

Flans are pretty easy to do in the Visions area (thienne (A) I think it was?) with a strong mage to nuke them down (or at least someone to hold them a minute, then a mage can finish them), and wamoura....grab a MNK friend to rip them up in attowha (A)(well, just about any melee really--PUP makes quick work of them too). Ripped through these things FAST doing MNK STR/ATT in Attowah (A). Killed the NM a lot too for a WAR friend for seals while we were at it. SCH, MNK, and a third melee just eats through roaches.

Fortunately you don't have to do anything special to get the kill credit--just have the item equipped and be in xp range on firesday really.

[bungiefan]

http://ff11info.com/bazaar/en/weather.php

That has a chart for what zones get what weather and how frequently during the in-game months.

[Karbuncle]

You know. Why not just allow us to Add Weather in Moblin Maze Mongers?

Problem Solved. Can only do it once per day (so its restricting in a way, Unless you have friends, or shout group, etc). Offers a chance to Solo Weather Trials when your "Season" isn't there. Can control Mob level so you can do it without syncing.

It fixes almost all the complaints, and its Limiting enough to where it wouldn't completely "Dumb down" The Day/Weather Trials.

I don't know if that has been suggested what with seeing after like, Post 3, It was nothing but back and forth insults. So eh. I don't see how anyone could possibly be jaded enough to think giving us the Ability to chose a Weather (Through Runes) in a personal Dungeon would be a bad idea or not needed.