Elemental Trials - Fire/Light

[RAIST]

Dark happens a lot in certain zones (pso xja comes to mind, the mire and northlands region get it a good bit too--farm dark crystals in glacier all the time). I agree with blowfin--patience is a virtue after all. Each season runs for roughly 3 1/2 days (1 RLday is almost 25 days). I had to wait a week for fire to start showing up again for one of my GK trials, got it, killed my 10 monkeys in Ifrit's in one cycle... and moved on to finish the trial over the next couple days.

[Rezeak]

If they just made 1 for Anytime, 4 for Day, 4 For Weather it would fix almost everything really.
(or make SCH weather count!!)


They should also make the addional effect and kill shot trails work with weather.

not to mention OAT 2-4 trials should get some way to speed them up too

[Seriha]

Id imagine that people having some patience and not wanting everything NOW NOW NOW might help too.

Sorry, but a window of roughly 52 minutes 6+ hours isn't exactly what I'd call accommodating. Depending on your job, the weapon, and the mobs and their location in question, you could be looking at a hell of waiting solo. So, while this might not be an issue for people capable of devoting huge chunks of time to the game daily, for those who maybe have a couple hours here and there every other day? Lemme guess, "It's not for them."

No.

[RAIST]

compare it to other top tier gears available in the past that took people years to obtain.... just saying, a little perspective may be needed here.

[Meyi]

Sky gets light a lot.

If by a lot you mean almost never.

I see light a lot in Delkfut and qufim too. Fire is actually quite common in Meriph (past/present), Ifrits and neighboring areas (jungles, Rancor) as well. And then there is the Dunes/Cape/Kuftal/Altep areas too.

I've seem light in Delkfutt and Qufim a few times. Only a handful. Light is incredibly scarce.

Fire is somewhat rare too. I've not seen it in Meriphataud (but I don't spend much time there), but I have seen it a decent amount of times in Altepa and the Jungles. Um, the biggest problem with fire weather is that it's incredibly short.

Also, if these weathers are required for Trials of Magian, you need the monster to be easy prey+ at 75+. Most of the zones listed don't apply because the monster levels are too low.

It is just that it is SEASONAL weather. As in, summer months for fire. Forget exactly what season light shows up, but there is a short period where it shows up regularly--see it in phases when playing in sky. May be summer months for it too, not sure.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Weather

Yes, seasonal weather.

I've yet to find any seasonal pattern for light. Summer sounds the most applicable, or possibly spring.

[blowfin]

Sorry, but a window of roughly 52 minutes 6+ hours isn't exactly what I'd call accommodating. Depending on your job, the weapon, and the mobs and their location in question, you could be looking at a hell of waiting solo. So, while this might not be an issue for people capable of devoting huge chunks of time to the game daily, for those who maybe have a couple hours here and there every other day? Lemme guess, "It's not for them."

No.

Expecting to be able to log on and do weather or day based trials whenever you want is utterly ridiculous, i`m sorry. Especially if you go out and purposely choose an elemental trial. Maybe people have a right to be annoyed once, when they realise there isnt permanent fire weather right outside their mog house. Then again most rational people will realize their mistake and think a bit before choosing a trial which doesnt fit so well with their time limitations. Thats always something you raise too, limited time, it gets a bit ridiculous sometimes. Next thing youll be saying that Magian trials dont work very well for people who can only log on for 15 minutes, once a week.

If you don`t have the patience to wait for the game clock or the weather to swing to your advantage then yes, find something else to do. It`s obvious that the patience is lacking. You make it sound like Magian trials are the only thing for people to do in game.

Let me give you a good example of how rare conditions are countered. Killing 50 bees in water weather. There are very few ways to actually get this done in game. What do you do to counter this? Check the weather NPC in Lower Jeuno until you see the right conditions coming up, then go sacrifice some time waiting for weather to pop. Sure it might take a little bit of time for things to swing to your way, but if you persist, youll get it done.

Another solution is to be doing more than one trial, but that one is so blindingly obvious I didnt feel it needed to be mentioned. However, you forced my hand.

[Seriha]

compare it to other top tier gears available in the past that took people years to obtain.... just saying, a little perspective may be needed here.

Just because the old systems were messed up doesn't mean the current ones can get away with their own flaws.

Meanwhile, I'd be more than willing to give up the 5 kill credit in weather if it meant being able to get credit after doing whatever little hoop SE offered. Heck, it could still remain, but the alternative would default back to 1. It's not about impatience, it's about actually letting people play the game when they want to play, and thus progress in it.

[Sparthos]

Expecting to be able to log on and do weather or day based trials whenever you want is utterly ridiculous, i`m sorry

TOTM was created for casual play and for the most part you can do these trials and find appropriate weather without a hitch. Wind is usually up frequently in TOAU or cycling in Grauberg. When weather turns on in these zones, you'll usually get around 20mins to the full game day of weather. Did I mention that this happens often across multiple days making the trials doable? and that you're getting 5pts/kill?

This is not the case with Light/Fire trials. I didn't say I wanted the trials to be "doable whenever" but the facts are that light/fire weather do not exist and when they do exist, it's for a short time before the predominant weather takes over.

Terrigan gets fire weather but Wind dominates.
Ifrits Cauldron gets fire weather but Water/2x Water dominates.
Mount Zhayolm gets fire weather but Earth dominates.
Altepa gets fire weather but etc etc.

Light only exists between specific game hours in a specific part of the calender year, period.

Especially if you go out and purposely choose an elemental trial. Maybe people have a right to be annoyed once, when they realise there isnt permanent fire weather right outside their mog house. Then again most rational people will realize their mistake and think a bit before choosing a trial which doesnt fit so well with their time limitations. Thats always something you raise too, limited time, it gets a bit ridiculous sometimes. Next thing youll be saying that Magian trials dont work very well for people who can only log on for 15 minutes, once a week.

More overblown nonsense. For the most part, TOTM is casual. You can easily do Earth/Water/Wind/Ice trials with no lack of weather.

If you're going to argue that you should simply wait for Firesday/Lightsday to do the trials at 1pt/kill then you make my point for me that the trials are unfairly balanced and require adjustment.

If you don`t have the patience to wait for the game clock or the weather to swing to your advantage then yes, find something else to do. It`s obvious that the patience is lacking. You make it sound like Magian trials are the only thing for people to do in game.

Show me the abundant Fire weather.
Show me the abundant Light weather.

Then perhaps you'll have an argument that I am just whining to whine.

Let me give you a good example of how rare conditions are countered. Killing 50 bees in water weather. There are very few ways to actually get this done in game. What do you do to counter this? Check the weather NPC in Lower Jeuno until you see the right conditions coming up, then go sacrifice some time waiting for weather to pop. Sure it might take a little bit of time for things to swing to your way, but if you persist, youll get it done.

50 bees in Water weather without utilizing Watersday.
Options:
Ifrits Cauldron/Temple of Uggalepih during Rain/Typhoons
Crawlers Nest/(S) during Rain
Level Sync Pashhow/Rolanberry/Yuhtunga/Yhoator

Now my example:

200 Flans in Fire weather without utilizing Firesday
Options:
Mount Zhayolm/Halvung during Hot Spells.

Yeah, you keep checking the weather NPC for fire in Zhayolm and if it happens enjoy the 10mins you have before the eruption ends and the zone goes back to perpetual Earth weather only. I'll see you in a few months when Fire happens often enough in Zhayolm for you to complete the trial without using Firesday.

Another solution is to be doing more than one trial, but that one is so blindingly obvious I didnt feel it needed to be mentioned. However, you forced my hand.

Doing another trial doesn't make fire/light based trials any easier unless you're telling me to simply ignore they exist and do the trials that actually have weather backing them.

[blowfin]

If you're going to argue that you should simply wait for Firesday/Lightsday to do the trials at 1pt/kill then you make my point for me that the trials are unfairly balanced and require adjustment.

I'll make the point that these weapons are probably worth the wait. Or this thread wouldn't even exist. I also agree that it's difficult to find fire and light weather.

I dunno though, I work full time and don't play every day and I managed to get my fire trial (with pets dealing killing blow thanks very much) done over a number of weeks. Weeks I said. There's a possibility it even took me over a month to get it done. My Pet -PDT axes can be completed in a couple of days if you put your mind to it.

But you know what, even with groups who didn't understand the fact that I needed pet kills (effectively lengthening my trial) and only being able to operate on Firesday as a general rule, I got it done. I got it done by watching the upcoming days and picking my time to go and do the trials, I put a gadget on my windows 7 desktop JUST FOR TRIALS so I was aware of game days when I wasn't logged in.

Yes, if you have limited time you will suffer if you are trying to push through these trials. However, where do we draw the line with that? At what point will making it easier break trials for the rest of the population? I also question whether the problem is people not having the time to dedicate to FFXI or is it people just not wanting to log in for an hour or so when the conditions will favor their trials? Basically though, I refuse to believe people cannot make progress on these weapons if you play more than a couple of times a week. If you can't log on for more than a couple of hours a week, I honestly don't know why you would bother with this game, as there is satisfaction to be found from many other games, with far less time investment and overhead required.

[Krisan]

blowfin, this isn't as much a matter of patience as you seem to think. I have plenty of patience, I can wait a whole year doing something so long as I am able to make steady progress toward my goal.. That doesn't mean progress whenever I want it, or even progress every single day, just.. steady and reasonable progress.

The weather trials are not steady nor reasonable. I do not like searching potentially weeks at a time for Light or Fire weather and never finding it. I also don't like actually finding it, and the weather ending shortly after arrival. (Fire is especially notorious for fizzling out quickly.) What I'm saying this boils down to, is that the weather trials are not fun in their current state, they're not fun at all. They could be longer and the weather could be more abundant and I'd be perfectly patient waiting them out, but as it is I can potentially be sitting on a single trial for a month without any progress because that specific weather I need is ridiculously scarce in its appearance.

If a trial is meant to require patience and take a long time, extend the trial itself so it takes longer. Do not add some arbitrary element that make all progress impossible and inconveniences the player to go looking for a type of weather that almost never appears.. That's not fun. Things in this game should be fun whenever possible - it's a video game after all - or at the very least they shouldn't be intentionally annoying.