Am I the only one that dislikes the procs setup?

[thefinalrune]

I feel your pain, as a career THF I get turned down for THF seal parties all the time because I'm not a BLM.

;_; Its annoying for sure. Its a shame the model is designed to hinder the progress of players that don't want to level multiple jobs. I've tried just about every job there is and honestly couldn't care less about any of them. I'm a thief and that's all I really ever want to be. But apparently I get to be a pink thief for the rest of eternity because the quest system sucks and no wants to invite THFs to a THF seal party.

[Alhanelem]

I don't like the proc system either, because I see it as an artificial device to stop zerging.

[Randwolf]

To the OP, while the issues exist for certain jobs in Abyssea, it has existed for other jobs outside Abyssea for years. I still remember DM favoring BLM's and no other job. While it could be done with other jobs, it was a breeze with mostly BLM's and a few lucky leeches. Doing Kings, if your only job were say Monk, no HNMLS wanted you. If you were doing Kirin as a Monk, you were pretty much a Chi Whore or not welcome.

So, the inequity of what you can do on certain jobs has always existed. Right now, Monk gets some perks on things like Shinryu. But, is still not desired in other areas. Blue Mage saw a slight desire as a party member right after its introduction then quickly declined. BLU was also not of much interest in end-game outside of Dynamis, which can use Jack-Of-All-Trade jobs more efficiently. The reality of FFXI, up until this point, has always been that certain jobs are more or less desired depending on the activity.

[wish12oz]

I feel your pain, as a career THF I get turned down for THF seal parties all the time because I'm not a BLM.

This seems to be the main complaint I see.

Make groups instead of joining them and you can do whatever you want, then your problem is solved.

This is the solution.
Stop being lazy, make your own groups. Quit asking SE to change stuff because you're to lazy to make your party or level another job.

It was said earlier, maybe it needs to be said again. People have been leveling different jobs to get different stuff done since day1. I leveled RNG to do CoP missions when they came out. I leveled PLD to tank when NIN wasn't as useful anymore, I skilled up weapons on WAR so I could do all the red procs, etc, etc, etc, etc.... This is the way the game works, and why you can play multiple jobs ont he same character. If you don't like it you don't HAVE to level other stuff, but you're only hurting yourself and making the game less fun for yourself.

[RabidSquirrel]

Stop being lazy, make your own groups. Quit asking SE to change stuff because you're to lazy to make your party or level another job.

It was said earlier, maybe it needs to be said again. People have been leveling different jobs to get different stuff done since day1. I leveled RNG to do CoP missions when they came out. I leveled PLD to tank when NIN wasn't as useful anymore, I skilled up weapons on WAR so I could do all the red procs, etc, etc, etc, etc.... This is the way the game works, and why you can play multiple jobs ont he same character. If you don't like it you don't HAVE to level other stuff, but you're only hurting yourself and making the game less fun for yourself.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it is NEVER, in any situation, good when specific jobs or classes become obsolete. This tends to happen as a result of unforeseen circumstances and not a result of intentional implementation. It is impossible to predict what players will do to overcome a challenge. Do you honestly believe that SE's intention all along was to make thief, dancer, warrior, black mage, monk, and white mage the only needed jobs in Abyssea? If so, you are sadly mistaken. As more content is added, the job pyramid shifts in unforeseen ways. It has before, it has now, and will keep on happening.

[wish12oz]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it is NEVER, in any situation, good when specific jobs or classes become obsolete. This tends to happen as a result of unforeseen circumstances and not a result of intentional implementation. It is impossible to predict what players will do to overcome a challenge. Do you honestly believe that SE's intention all along was to make thief, dancer, warrior, black mage, monk, and white mage the only needed jobs in Abyssea? If so, you are sadly mistaken. As more content is added, the job pyramid shifts in unforeseen ways. It has before, it has now, and will keep on happening.

Which is why it's stupid to pigeonhole yourself onto 1 job. Level other jobs and make your own groups and you won't have these problems.

[Juri_Licious]

It was said earlier, maybe it needs to be said again. People have been leveling different jobs to get different stuff done since day1. I leveled RNG to do CoP missions when they came out. I leveled PLD to tank when NIN wasn't as useful anymore, I skilled up weapons on WAR so I could do all the red procs, etc, etc, etc, etc.... This is the way the game works, and why you can play multiple jobs ont he same character. If you don't like it you don't HAVE to level other stuff, but you're only hurting yourself and making the game less fun for yourself.

Yeah, the perfect solution is to just level up another character (You don't even want to play or like) from 1 to 90 just to get into parties to get a set of items for one character.

Here's my answer...Hell no.
Seriously what's the purpose of leveling up my char when the armor for my Job cannot be obtained through my Job?

If I make a party, i'm pretty much being there to be useless and get seals because I can't proc.
Then people will probably get furious if we're not "Proc-ing".

Just because you are fine with leveling up a ton of jobs to 90 doesn't mean everyone else has the time or want for it.
EXPing isn't so fun, especially if you've done it all the way to 90.

[Greatguardian]

How to never have to worry about being unwanted/unnecessary:

Step 1: Level and gear a variety of jobs that catch most/all niches in the game.

Step 2: Don't suck at them.

Step 3: Bask in the glory of having at least 1-2 jobs that everyone wants at any given time, and thus the ability to get any kind of NM/mission/item you need with minimal effort.

Step 2 is incredibly important, though. I'd rather not have a WHM at all than have a WHM who sucks. At least in the former situation you know you won't be getting cures; in the latter it just comes as a surprise.

[Khajit]

I feel your pain, as a career THF I get turned down for THF seal parties all the time because I'm not a BLM.

;_; Its annoying for sure. Its a shame the model is designed to hinder the progress of players that don't want to level multiple jobs. I've tried just about every job there is and honestly couldn't care less about any of them. I'm a thief and that's all I really ever want to be. But apparently I get to be a pink thief for the rest of eternity because the quest system sucks and no wants to invite THFs to a THF seal party.

Taking into account the fact that treasure hunter is an important factor in these runs I'm getting the impression that you are seriously sitting here complaining about not being able to play thf in a seal pt when they already had one to fulfill that role. The only other logical conclusion here is that they're one of those groups of idiots too stupid to want treasure hunter when they need a drop in which case you're complaining that SE needs to fix the idiotic decisions of others. Now while it may be annoying to see a shout for an item you want and can easily get with 2~5 people max only to discover they're going for 18 I don't see any need to request that SE fix that problem.

[Seriha]

This seems to be the main complaint I see.



This is the solution.
Stop being lazy, make your own groups. Quit asking SE to change stuff because you're to lazy to make your party or level another job.

It was said earlier, maybe it needs to be said again. People have been leveling different jobs to get different stuff done since day1. I leveled RNG to do CoP missions when they came out. I leveled PLD to tank when NIN wasn't as useful anymore, I skilled up weapons on WAR so I could do all the red procs, etc, etc, etc, etc.... This is the way the game works, and why you can play multiple jobs ont he same character. If you don't like it you don't HAVE to level other stuff, but you're only hurting yourself and making the game less fun for yourself.

The other problem is that if you're also forced to "compromise" in playing one job to outfit another, if that other is never actually wanted or useful to future activities you partake in, what's the point of actually chasing gear for it?