Am I the only one that dislikes the procs setup?

[Luvbunny]

Agree with most of the comments here, you need to make your own group, stop being lazy and be pro-active. Learn how to be nice and make friends. Another great way is to ask for team up with other group who farm the same NM in the area, and suggest "your pop item = your seals to be shared with your own group". The benefits are many: you may meet people with discernment, you may get a blue or blm if you did not bring any, if the other group is duo - you may get their unwanted seals (which could happen to be yours), you get to kill the mob faster, and there is safety in numbers.

You'll never go far in this game by being closed minded, being lazy and wanted everything handed to you, or not playing nice and making friends with others. For each melee or mage jobs, there are plenty jobs to level. And almost everyone level multiple jobs these days. You should level your main, and your farming job or endgame job. It's great that you can do things with only a few people now, and the game is far more accessible for casual player and newbies. Granted hardcore player can devour any content faster, but there are far more casual and newbie players than the hardcore ones. And if SE keep this trend, they can phase out the hardcore and reach more into the new players base - make more money this way.

[wish12oz]

Yeah, the perfect solution is to just level up another character (You don't even want to play or like) from 1 to 90 just to get into parties to get a set of items for one character.

Here's my answer...Hell no.
Seriously what's the purpose of leveling up my char when the armor for my Job cannot be obtained through my Job?

If I make a party, i'm pretty much being there to be useless and get seals because I can't proc.
Then people will probably get furious if we're not "Proc-ing".

Just because you are fine with leveling up a ton of jobs to 90 doesn't mean everyone else has the time or want for it.
EXPing isn't so fun, especially if you've done it all the way to 90.

You're totally right, why even bother to play the game. It's better to sit in town and do nothing~

[Khajit]

SJ nin. Take the invo-6 hit that most sane people would refuse to take. There's no excuse for any job to not be able to at least do the nin procs since it's usually rare for anyone that isn't a nin and can use universal tools instead of losing gearspace to bring them.

[Randwolf]

Just because you are fine with leveling up a ton of jobs to 90 doesn't mean everyone else has the time or want for it.
EXPing isn't so fun, especially if you've done it all the way to 90.

What annoys me most about these proc complaints is not that they aren't valid, they are. It's that the issue with being a certain job and not being able to get into groups to do certain things has been around since the start of the game.

BLM and TH4 (prior to the ease of getting the armlets and knife) used to be an all access pass. But, now that a large portion of the long-time population has multiple jobs because of that, the more recent players complain because they are putting up with what the rest of us did for years. Yup, we were forced to level other jobs to get into certain activities. So, it's probably why you aren't finding tons of sympathy. Most long-time players are hardened from history. Plus, the people who leveled more than one job prior to Abyssea had very limited ways to do it quickly. Again, adding to why there is little sympathy over an issue that has been around since the start of the game. Finally, S/E put no effort whatsoever into inclusivity of jobs prior to Abyssea. There now is more demand for all jobs all the way around.

So, a big part of the reason people are flippant about telling you to raise another job is that they did it when there was not a whole lot of ways to do it quickly. Sure, some people had access to AF burns or Power-Leveling. But, at a certain point, you pretty much had to finish out the levels in parties.

[Rambus]

What annoys me most about these proc complaints is not that they aren't valid, they are. It's that the issue with being a certain job and not being able to get into groups to do certain things has been around since the start of the game.

BLM and TH4 (prior to the ease of getting the armlets and knife) used to be an all access pass. But, now that a large portion of the long-time population has multiple jobs because of that, the more recent players complain because they are putting up with what the rest of us did for years. Yup, we were forced to level other jobs to get into certain activities. So, it's probably why you aren't finding tons of sympathy. Most long-time players are hardened from history. Plus, the people who leveled more than one job prior to Abyssea had very limited ways to do it quickly. Again, adding to why there is little sympathy over an issue that has been around since the start of the game. Finally, S/E put no effort whatsoever into inclusivity of jobs prior to Abyssea. There now is more demand for all jobs all the way around.

So, a big part of the reason people are flippant about telling you to raise another job is that they did it when there was not a whole lot of ways to do it quickly. Sure, some people had access to AF burns or Power-Leveling. But, at a certain point, you pretty much had to finish out the levels in parties.

then you have this issue.

I like playing rng or sam or pld or thf. i like all my jobs and like to take it out time to time

well abyssea only suck me on war and blu only.

[Randwolf]

then you have this issue.

I like playing rng or sam or pld or thf. i like all my jobs and like to take it out time to time

well abyssea only suck me on war and blu only.

Reading comprehension. Do you have it?

My response was to the OP complaining about leveling more than one job. I leveled my jobs, to be in activities, under the old "it takes forever to get to 75" system. Back before there was a reduction in experience needed to reach 75. Thus, why there is little sympathy about complaints when every job can't get in on every activity.

[Meyi]

I don't think people should level jobs if they don't want to.

I leveled seven jobs on my original character. I enjoyed them. But as my taru, I don't really want to do it again. So I can completely understand those who want to stay with one job.

However, if you want to stay that one job, it becomes your responsibility to get the things you want. People shouting need specific roles for a reason; all the other roles have been covered, and it's those few remaining jobs that they need to do the activity.

Even having the job at 90 doesn't mean you'll get invited anyway. I've lost out on many shouts for black mage body seals even though they needed a black mage, because someone else sent the /tell first. Having a job does not guarantee success.

Starting the shout does not guarantee success, nor does having a linkshell that does the activities you enjoy, but both of these will increase your odds much better than sitting in Jeuno, waiting.

[Karbuncle]

Firstly, I don't know if someone was just typing wrong, Or just got off a WoW craze. But you don't need to "Level a new Character" to play another job. This isn't WoW, you can play other jobs on your character.
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Anyway, I don't know if it was used as an excuse or something, But if a Group is shouting for Yellow-proc jobs and they don't have a THF, and refuse a THF's help, They are Dumbasses anyway, Because Yellow is fine, Blue is fine, but TH on top of them is what makes it shine. TH + Proc is the best for every situation, no excuse not to bring a THF. Or you'll end up proc'n yellow and receiving only 2 Seals instead of 4/(5).

If you can't find 1 more job out of 20 you enjoy playing, MAKE YOUR OWN SHOUTS. Stop ignoring Wish because he doesn't sugar coat his responses in Ponies and Lollipops. He's very right. If you're too lazy to make your own shout, you think the solution is to adjust an entire system? It doesn't make sense. Its not that hard to shout and build a party around your favorite job. If you like PLD, go PLD, build a party around it, and you tank. If your party is good it doesn't matter if you're on PLD.

There is nothing wrong with the proc system, Yellow can be covered by 3 jobs. BLU/NIN, BLM/BRD, and WHM. thats it, every single trigger right there, Stop over-stating it. Blue triggeres are spread across multiple jobs, Requiring at least DRG, DRK, PLD, WHM, RNG and THF for Specific ones (Shark Bite, Swift Blade, you see my point).

Red is the easiest, can be done with ~2 jobs.

But the Trigger systems are fine, This game has been and always will cater to low-man groups when it comes to "shout groups", Because these shout groups want the least amount of competition per drop. What are your plans for Revision? Do you want it removed and every mob drop all the stuff all the time? I don't like that idea. I think the proc system adds a small level of Strategy for a fight.

Take Carabosse for Instance, Proc Red > Zerg before 2hour. or don't proc > fight normal. Gives you 2 ways to do it. I like the proc system, It caters to certain jobs sure, But so does the entire game. You may find it a little more extreme in abyssea, but thats where Wish comes in. start your own shout. It doesn't take a lot of effort. Get motivated.

Its hard to design a system that lets every single job Play, Especially because of the community. The Community will always find the most efficient time-effective way to do something, and it becomes the norm. This is human nature. We want the quickest route form A > B. Do not change a system just because your job doesn't fall in the quickest route. Create your own route by shouting for it.

I understand your complaints, but they aren't valid. You could use that argument for 99% of the Events in the game, Its just how the game works. In fact I'm 99% positive, OP saw a shout today, Didn't get in, and created the thread to vent/hate and get other sheep to vent/hate with them. You people need to stop jumping on every chance to complain about something minor.

I know these forums are for the expression of how you feel regarding the game, But its not about "I didn't get invited to a shout so I'm creating a butthurt thread to make alter the game so i can be invited more". So we shouldn't be so quick to react just because you're upset you didn't get invited, its not the best idea.

Every system will have flaws, but the proc'n system is one of the best ideas this game has had in a while. It gives players a chance to do something in a fight that can directly effect your spoils. (Similar to how Killing the Imp in "The ashu Talif" quests gives you another quests, or certain mobs in ANNMs, etc). I Like these systems, while not perfect, nothing else.

We can't start complaining every time something is not perfect. Nothing in this world is perfect. Someone will always find something to complain about. You think I'm just saying that to say it, but you're wrong. It could be a perfect game, and someone would complain its too perfect. I promise you.

so please, If you don't get invited to a shout, Make your own, or level a useful job. I know it sucks sometimes but take it from the Owner of a Maat's-Cap Pre Abyssea... Leveling jobs is really fun if you let it be. You make a lot of new friends. Solo where you can, Party where you can, and enjoy it always.

Theres gotta be 4-5 jobs in 20 you can find that you enjoy. Even if you don't enjoy it, level it for utility (its why i leveled BRD). Its not perfect in itself, But such is the curse of an MMO. Sometimes, when thousands and thousands of people come together, Your style might be left out.

Think of it like Highschool. Eventually Clicks will form. You either need to fit in, Or not. Personally I've never enjoyed fitting in, but it just so happens my favorite job is THF, So i dumb-lucked into a niche. Sometimes the best solution is to "Fake it". Level a job you might not like, but will get a lot of Benefit from. Once you've got everything you needed from the job, Leave it for dead.

Its not a perfect solution, nothing is perfect, this game is no exception. Sometimes life is about compromise. this isn't a lesson your parents tell you for fun. this is Truth. You will never have everything your way in life. It sucks, But thats how it works. So the best solution is to try and level a new job, Even if you hate the idea of i. Compromise is what makes the world go round. The least you could do is try to enjoy it

[Miera]

I feel for the OP because I too a having difficulties getting things done because I don't have the new Cookie Cutter jobs.

SCH DNC SMN BST PUP RNG RDM,

These jobs aren't useless to me and I hate the proc system. I question procs at the moment, I remember getting Yellow on a NM and got no seals at all. I remember procing Blue on a few NMs and it drops nothing.

[Ravenmore]

I see alot of people that most likey never bothered with CoP till it was uncapped. Every promy run I did was on nin, I hate nin but I went on it to get that those done. leveled blu to 60 so I could do the rest of the missions that my fav job was not wanted for. Yes even getting !! does not mean you'll get the drops but its just like TH4 was, just cause you had it doesn't mean you'll get the drop either.