The Truly 'Elite' Player

[Randwolf]

I hear all the talk about how this new breed of player, the post-Abyssea ones, are ruining the game with their quick leveling and lack of skills. I also hear from the post-Abyssea players that they are no different than the long-time players. They just leveled faster but are just as skilled. So, let's have S/E lay down the gauntlet. Throw out some ideas for mobs that require skill and little or no luck to beat or claim.

I'll go first.

I'd like to see an HNM that requires the elemental wheel be completed through skill chains and an MB done after each SC. The skill chain can be done in any order but must be topped off with a Dark SC >>> MB and a Light SC >>> MB, in either order. The entire elemental wheel has to occur within a certain time frame from beginning to end. After that task is complete, the mob will take full damage from magic and melee but not before.

Other ideas. I'm sure if you are 1337, you can come up with ideas that separate the men from the boys.

[Neisan_Quetz]

That sounds almost as retarded as the final boss for Chrono Cross.

[Randwolf]

That sounds almost as retarded as the final boss for Chrono Cross.

Brew with Aeolian - Gales / Ultimate / Hell's Guardian (Baying/Beyond I suppose, I don't see anything good past Gales)
Brew with Flash Nova (requires Club Merits) - Beyond / Ultimate or Hell's Guardian / Sellsword
Brew with Sanguine Blade (requires WAR DRK PLD or BLU sub) - Cosmos / Banisher / Ultimate

Solo - Minikin / Beyond / Ultimate if casting, otherwise consider Dark Depths if straight tanking over GH if evasion isn't floored.
DD - Razed / Apoc / Gnarled or Alpha/Omega
Backup Healing: if curing and only curing, Minikin / Rescuer / Harmony (if no Rescuer pick a magic damage atma and nuke imo)
Apoc if you think you're going to die alot and don't feel like bringing RR items.

Well then, your idea? I see you prefer to brew everything. Any idea on how to actually create a challenge. Or, perhaps you'd rather avoid those.

[Corwin]

Truly "elite" players have G-Prime in their Boost macro.

[Tamarsamar]

Well then, your idea? I see you prefer to brew everything. Any idea on how to actually create a challenge. Or, perhaps you'd rather avoid those.

You took his quote out of context. The context was "hai, I'm brewing something, which atma set should I use for it? Also, what atma sets should I use for these other things . . ."

Basically, he was commenting on the "what is," rather than the "what should be."

[Randwolf]

You took his quote out of context. The context was "hai, I'm brewing something, which atma set should I use for it? Also, what atma sets should I use for these other things . . ."

Basically, he was commenting on the "what is," rather than the "what should be."

Since I included his whole post, and I don't see any disclaimer to the way you interpret, I'm going to doubt that. And, his post in this thread wasn't adding anything to it. Just being rude. Honestly, people talk about how the new players are plain rude and simply shout if they don't like an idea. You don't find that statement rude? Where is his great idea? You wonder why every thread in here degrades to a shouting match. It's because people have nothing to add. Only to be negative.

Anyway, the point is, what I see is all these supposedly 'elite' players complaining about how the post-Abyssea players are not skilled. And, the only thing they can seem to come up with is "we need to go back to the way it was." Instead of looking at ways to differentiate.

[Tamoa]

Introducing new content that will be reasonably hard, require more than 2 jobs and where players need to pay attention - without the atma-crutch - will suffice for me. Hopefully that's what we are getting next update.

[Zaknafein]

Randwolf I like your suggestion. The example you gave however could be achieved by bot programs because of the str8 forward nature of the challenge. It would need to be something spontaneous, and unpredictable to require true skill. Thinking, and reacting on the fly. Mid battle strategy change etc.

[Randwolf]

Introducing new content that will be reasonably hard, require more than 2 jobs and where players need to pay attention - without the atma-crutch - will suffice for me. Hopefully that's what we are getting next update.

Randwolf I like your suggestion. The example you gave however could be achieved by bot programs because of the str8 forward nature of the challenge. It would need to be something spontaneous, and unpredictable to require true skill. Thinking, and reacting on the fly. Mid battle strategy change etc.

Thanks, I had contemplated that. I figure others might have more complex ideas that would be a real challenge. It makes me think about AV and the challenge that was where very few seemed to figure out the strategy S/E had in mind. If you remember, the players answer was the DRK zerg, which S/E said was not what they had in mind.

p.s. - The SC MB idea was because it seems that those skills are a lost art. Something the most rudimentary player used to be able to do yet people seem to not do now because of the perceived waste of TP and MP and/or the lack of ability.

[svengalis]

Elite players hahaha dont make me laugh. I haven't even seen too many players who who know how to play their jobs properly.