Tactics/advice thread

[Dfoley]

You people and your selective reading:

3) After 200 skill there are no short cuts, other then getting burts. The increased # of WS will increase your skill up chances. At 75 I had it capped at 68ish. Then i just went 75 to 90 and still only had lvl 75 skill. Got burts and its gone up to 85ish now.

Thats what I said, and you interpert that to mean:

If you get them, great, but they're not completely necessary for VE/SS as Dfoley is making them out to be.

I never said they were completely necessary (although they are if you want to rock out like a true hardcore pup), just that they are amazingly helpful at speeding up the skill up process 200+ because like you said "extra swings = extra chances to skill up" which is what they add.

And lets be honest, a pup is 99% more likely to get burts then Verethragna, and while both are good burts is probably the single best dd weapon for a pup, so eventually yes it will become necessary.

[Frapp]

You people and your selective reading

How ironic. It's not selective reading if I'm reading how every PUP needs a Burts in every one of your posts about PUP that I read or reply to. The completely necessary (emphasis yours) was in regards to that observation.

...they are amazingly helpful at speeding up the skill up process 200+ because like you said "extra swings = extra chances to skill up" which is what they add.

I'm not disputing the fact they the Burts are an awesome weapon, and they do increase attack rounds by allowing the Automaton to perform more attacks. My intent was to offer advice to someone who has identified himself as a Level 64 Puppetmaster how to skill up his Automatons without having to use a Level 89 Weapon.

Turboing a job to 90 via Abyssea may not be something he wants to do, or even be able depending on the mentality of the server. On Ragnarok there are a lot of EXP alliance shouts that include "75+" or "Leech (No Thanks)" in the line.

...burts is probably the single best dd weapon for a pup, so eventually yes it will become necessary.

And this is what you continue to say that I'm trying to counter. You're making it seem that any PUP who does not have this weapon will inherently suck. There's more to PUP than pushing buttons and forcing numbers to come out.

[Dfoley]

Turboing a job to 90 via Abyssea may not be something he wants to do, or even be able depending on the mentality of the server. On Ragnarok there are a lot of EXP alliance shouts that include "75+" or "Leech (No Thanks)" in the line.


And this is what you continue to say that I'm trying to counter. You're making it seem that any PUP who does not have this weapon will inherently suck. There's more to PUP than pushing buttons and forcing numbers to come out.

Your not exactly convincing me you can read, in fact I am starting to wonder even more...

Its not exactly turboing once your 75. If you go back and read, I suggested getting armor piercer before abyssea and then just letting skill ups come. Abyssea is what it is, and you will 'turbo' yourself 75-90. My suggestion of burts was as a way to help skill up from 200+ since it goes so slow. It has nothing to do with ZOMG GO GET IT NOW OR YOU SUCK, EVEN THOUGH YOUR ONLY 64 AND CANT USE IT, I was just saying that once you do get 90, work on getting burts and you will see how much it helps skill up.

I am on ragnarok and I know for a fact your full of bull crap. I have yet to see an exp alliance that didn't have 3-6 leaches. Yes for melee dd people want 80+ for heros but all you need is skill level of a lvl 65 to hit the mobs. I have done multiple jobs and once you hit 225ish skill you hit enough to be worth while compared to the average person who is either afk or leaching.


Now for the rest of your crap...

I am not saying a pup without burts sucks, just that their DD wont be as good as a pup with burts. Its not something you can even argue. Pure melee wise (aka no mage frame) a burts pup will out dd a non burts pup if all their other gear is identical.

Its a weapon every pup should strive for, and its relatively easy to get since there arent that many pups and people will be doing the mob for seals anyways it rots quite a bit.


PS anyone on ragnarok who wants a hand going from 50-75 let me know and I am more then happy to help.