Tactics/advice thread

[Dfoley]

Turboing a job to 90 via Abyssea may not be something he wants to do, or even be able depending on the mentality of the server. On Ragnarok there are a lot of EXP alliance shouts that include "75+" or "Leech (No Thanks)" in the line.


And this is what you continue to say that I'm trying to counter. You're making it seem that any PUP who does not have this weapon will inherently suck. There's more to PUP than pushing buttons and forcing numbers to come out.

Your not exactly convincing me you can read, in fact I am starting to wonder even more...

Its not exactly turboing once your 75. If you go back and read, I suggested getting armor piercer before abyssea and then just letting skill ups come. Abyssea is what it is, and you will 'turbo' yourself 75-90. My suggestion of burts was as a way to help skill up from 200+ since it goes so slow. It has nothing to do with ZOMG GO GET IT NOW OR YOU SUCK, EVEN THOUGH YOUR ONLY 64 AND CANT USE IT, I was just saying that once you do get 90, work on getting burts and you will see how much it helps skill up.

I am on ragnarok and I know for a fact your full of bull crap. I have yet to see an exp alliance that didn't have 3-6 leaches. Yes for melee dd people want 80+ for heros but all you need is skill level of a lvl 65 to hit the mobs. I have done multiple jobs and once you hit 225ish skill you hit enough to be worth while compared to the average person who is either afk or leaching.


Now for the rest of your crap...

I am not saying a pup without burts sucks, just that their DD wont be as good as a pup with burts. Its not something you can even argue. Pure melee wise (aka no mage frame) a burts pup will out dd a non burts pup if all their other gear is identical.

Its a weapon every pup should strive for, and its relatively easy to get since there arent that many pups and people will be doing the mob for seals anyways it rots quite a bit.


PS anyone on ragnarok who wants a hand going from 50-75 let me know and I am more then happy to help.

[Lyrminas]

For magic you can go to beaudux and camp an afflictor ( Those giant glowing red bongs ) get yourself cursed and engage a mob, I recommend being 60+ so you can afk without the worry of dying. Its a boring way to do it but it gets the job done.

First generate hate on a mob, you can do this by healing next to a fish or a quadav and get its attention, have the automaton engage the mob and make sure the mob is not in melee range of your automaton (Turn around also if you engaged by punching). It will by default attempt to cursna you, at every attempt you'll get re-cursed by the afflictor, now you can AFK until your automaton runs out of mp . As far as attachments go mana tanks, conserver, manabooster ( Will remove 2 seconds with no ice maneuvers ). DAD as needed as mp gets low.

XbobX has a good idea about having a 90 job and subbing pup to get it to 45level skill. After that its kind of a toss up, I believe you can still do castle Zvhal (S) Fortalices till 75 level skill. There's alot of those in the fortress so skilling up shouldn't be terrible, they do die kinda fast if you're doing melee automatons on them but if you have no other choice, and can't get parties to get it skilled up past that point, this would be your best bet ( I didn't get the luxury of exploiting this until late 75 skill levels ).

Once you have Armor piercer and atmas to compound onto it, like Dfoley says, you start punching out serious numbers in abyssea . Now I understand how people say " why do you always talk about burts? " for the level of difficulty ( Not difficult to obtain ) You should make this a top priority even if you're not 89 yet. I've seen you around caitsith, unless you're Glamdring of another server, alot of pups I know on this server have bumped into people grinding for souls and they almost always FLOOR BURRATINAIOS. I would snoop around to see if there are any groups out here, most groups will not charge for the weapon, and if for some reason you can never get lucky with these kinds of groups, you can always solo the T1 > Colorful Abyssite in Visions areas, they tend to be the easiest and try for a T2. Shout in PJueno and offer off the souls or something, I'm certain someone will bite it ( You might even get a few people to come tag along with pops looking to get theirs done as well ). So there is no reason not to plan ahead, for how easy this weapon is to get, it is a total game changer for pup ( If I may be so bold to say ). I'll be as crazy enough to say its a blackbelt for your automaton.

[Lyrminas]

Woot you guys are all on ragnarok Maybe ill bump into you guys! since I won't be a caitsithian anymore XD

[Glamdring]

As to the 45 exploit, I had no idea an auto could skill while subbed, but it's a moot point because I was past the $% cap on pup when I made the post. I also knew about the magic one, but I don't use it; I skill magic to full just using red or whm pup while I solo.

My specific problem is only SS/VE frames. Even with /war these guys tend to take hate from me faster than voke comes back up, and going /dnc for Animated Flourish isn't as viable because it doesn't pull as much hate as Voke, costs TP and is on the same 30 second timer anyway. Now VE with a dark manuver for Cannibal has a great deal of survivability, don't get me wrong, and I don't use flashbulb solo to help prevent it taking hate too much, but it still does and then it can get beat down. SS is even worse, because I can't keep up with its damage output even underlevelled, and unlike VE it doesn't have reasonable survivability (and that's with replicator eating my wind manuvers, negating the scope).

Coiler and drum magazine are on my want list, but never available, and I want skills over the 60 cap before tackling Pulling the Strings to get them myself. I am working on getting Zeni so I can start spamming Ob with the LS, but I just started on it (and honestly, who does ZNM anymore?). The REAL pain in the ass is gonna be Animator +1, Einherjar is simply dead. Hopefully, the changes to getting Mythic (that they are planning for down the road) might make that possible someday.

At any rate, that's why my questions were confined to SS/VE, the magic frames are easy.

[Glamdring]

oh, and getting burts is easy, plenty of people fight the NM, the drop isn't THAT rare, and like in my dynamis beast and bard lotting days, who honestly wants pup stuff? there are only 3 pups in my LS and I'm one of them.

[Glamdring]

Come to a conclusion about weaps, based in part on the response I got here. I will get burritos at the earliest opportunity. These will be my weapons for when using SS, VE or when I siomply don't give a rat's ass. But for my mage auto I think I'm going to do an elemental trial; can't decide between the magic acc+ or the magic attack+, thoughts?

[Lushipur]

Come to a conclusion about weaps, based in part on the response I got here. I will get burritos at the earliest opportunity. These will be my weapons for when using SS, VE or when I siomply don't give a rat's ass. But for my mage auto I think I'm going to do an elemental trial; can't decide between the magic acc+ or the magic attack+, thoughts?

MAB forever

inside abyssea you have all the mac you will ned from atma (ultimate, merciless matriarch and so on.)
outside abyssea tranquillizer should do all the big work

but mab h2h its so easy to do that, maybe, if you have time to waste, could plan a mac h2h too XD

[Dfoley]

MAB,

Dont bother with M.ACC at the moment since you wont need it for much.

[Glamdring]

2/3 of the way thru my MAB weap, did in about 9 hours so far. Not difficult, merely time consuming. Although the Ghosts on Ice trial is a bit of a pain when you face skill gaps. Currently 80, my HTH is about 30 off cap and my pup's magic is about 18 off cap thanks to the Aby party I used the Whm pup in. Solo, the only viable place for ghosts under Ice weather is Beaucedine (s), and the bastards hit hard at my progress level.

[Lushipur]

2/3 of the way thru my MAB weap, did in about 9 hours so far. Not difficult, merely time consuming. Although the Ghosts on Ice trial is a bit of a pain when you face skill gaps. Currently 80, my HTH is about 30 off cap and my pup's magic is about 18 off cap thanks to the Aby party I used the Whm pup in. Solo, the only viable place for ghosts under Ice weather is Beaucedine (s), and the bastards hit hard at my progress level.

inside feyin lots of ghost and ice weather (dark too for mac h2h)
ghost cons from TW to EP, so you have to let the TW depops pulling and running away...maybe they will pop EP