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  1. #41
    Player Immortal's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirmarki View Post
    If you don't think mages have a multitude of actions to undertake in each and every battle (I play WHM) then I have no idea who you have been partying with over the years.
    Are you talking about now or EXP during 75 era? Mages were not anything special during 75 era for exping...
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  2. #42
    Player Immortal's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sp1cyryan View Post
    They have long taken pride in stating they won't join shout groups and basically just play with all their bot—i mean mule—accounts and some LS members. So that is who they party with, mostly themselves.
    No pride, its just how I choose to play. I have lead an LS thru every era of this games life and now I consider myself retired and don't lead or really play as much due to RL. I have first hand experience with literally everything in this game and know it like the back of my hand.
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  3. #43
    Player Gwydion's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Immortal View Post
    No pride, its just how I choose to play. I have lead an LS thru every era of this games life and now I consider myself retired and don't lead or really play as much due to RL. I have first hand experience with literally everything in this game and know it like the back of my hand.
    Immortal is talking about 75-Era XP not being a badge of Honor, and I agree with it. Folks responding and arguing to his later comment are splitting hairs over a minor point: How busy is a Mage player at 75-era? Does that make them a quality player? Look, the point is moot. This is not related to the larger discussion: There are very few quality indicators for competent, human player (for any jobs). So, let's hear your opinion.

    If I had a week of development and had to develop a solution that identifies a competent human player, I would create the Goblin Skillchain mini-game but relevant for each job. It would be boring as hell, but players would have to answer 10 questions their job by acting on it, i.e:

    White Mage:
    • Cast a spell with capped Fast Cast
    • Cast a spell with capped Quick Magic
    • Successfully remove Cursna on a dummy Cardian in front of you.
      ...etc

    Red Mage:
    • Hit a dummy cardian with enough enspell damage
    • Successfully land enfeebles on a dummy cardian
    • Stoneskin/Phalanx a total amount of damage from dummy Cardian in front of you.
    • Recover a certain amount of RP in a particular encounter.
      ...etc

    As you can see, this list would go on. It would be boring as hell and no one would really enjoy it. If you think you can do better, come up with content that makes it really easy to confirm that a player is worth partying with? Go ahead, I'll read every reply.

    I can even think of a suggestion right now that will blow your mind and make everyone hate bring up this "Badge of Honor" nonsense. A new indicator / point system that counts how many players you helped. How many people did you help clear Dynamis mid-bosses for? (Everyone get's a personal pool for each player they helped, so if you're a helper, you get 10 Altriusm Points). Farming subjob items, Helping with missions, Helping with HTBFs, etc. etc. All of those things you don't need ==> Generate Altruism Points.

    Let these Altruism Points be used to further upgrade Dynamis necks, REMA weapons, purchase new Gallimaufry Amplifiers, etc. etc. Boom, competency problem solved (but yes there will always be someone gaming the system).

    At this point, your success and progression would be determined by how many people you help.
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    Last edited by Gwydion; 10-02-2023 at 06:54 PM.
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  4. #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwydion View Post
    I can even think of a suggestion right now that will blow your mind and make everyone hate bring up this "Badge of Honor" nonsense. A new indicator / point system that counts how many players you helped. How many people did you help clear Dynamis mid-bosses for? (Everyone get's a personal pool for each player they helped, so if you're a helper, you get 10 Altriusm Points). Farming subjob items, Helping with missions, Helping with HTBFs, etc. etc. All of those things you don't need ==> Generate Altruism Points.

    Let these Altruism Points be used to further upgrade Dynamis necks, REMA weapons, purchase new Gallimaufry Amplifiers, etc. etc. Boom, competency problem solved (but yes there will always be someone gaming the system).

    At this point, your success and progression would be determined by how many people you help.
    Define "people." Because I see a teeny-tiny itty-bitty little smidgen of a flaw if you say "characters" or even "POL accounts", and I'm not sure the game could handle "SE accounts"...
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    Player kylani's Avatar
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    Given the 1 week limit, my requests would be related to mog garden:

    1. Reduce the load time of Mog Garden.
    2. When Mining or Harvesting the trees and selecting the multiple option, mine ALL and harvest ALL with one request vs. having to repeat it over and over despite picking the multiple option.

    There are other QOL changes that I'd like, but I think those items would be well over a week. Hopefully, these might be shorter, particularly the mine all, harvest all.
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  6. #46
    Player Gwydion's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenion View Post
    Define "people." Because I see a teeny-tiny itty-bitty little smidgen of a flaw if you say "characters" or even "POL accounts", and I'm not sure the game could handle "SE accounts"...
    Yes, I understand what you're getting at, which is why I said "People will always game the system." If we had to restrict Altruism points to an SE account, all POL accounts on the SE account would earn Altruism points. Those points would have to give items that indicate player competency/helpfulness. This could a special glowing appearance, perhaps a trailing/blazing footstep effect (there's so many effects in the DAT files). It could one bonus: Trade 500,000 Altruism points for a permanent Sub Job Level+1? It would really be up to SE's choosing. Sorry this couldn't be more helpful, but I'm open to suggestions.

    Quote Originally Posted by kylani View Post
    Given the 1 week limit, my requests would be related to mog garden:

    1. Reduce the load time of Mog Garden.
    2. When Mining or Harvesting the trees and selecting the multiple option, mine ALL and harvest ALL with one request vs. having to repeat it over and over despite picking the multiple option.

    There are other QOL changes that I'd like, but I think those items would be well over a week. Hopefully, these might be shorter, particularly the mine all, harvest all.
    These are good ideas. I personally would like to see Rank 8 in Mog Gardens but I'll take any quality of life improvement I can get.
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  7. #47
    Player Sirmarki's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by kylani View Post
    When Mining or Harvesting the trees and selecting the multiple option, mine ALL and harvest ALL with one request vs. having to repeat it over and over despite picking the multiple option.
    I dont mine but if you want to harvest the trees all at once, just feed them some florid leaf mold and multiple and it does it all in one go.
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    Sirmarki, ex-Fenrir, a young warrior, in the heyday.

  8. #48
    Player RichLester's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwydion View Post
    .....
    I can even think of a suggestion right now that will blow your mind and make everyone hate bring up this "Badge of Honor" nonsense. A new indicator / point system that counts how many players you helped. How many people did you help clear Dynamis mid-bosses for? (Everyone get's a personal pool for each player they helped, so if you're a helper, you get 10 Altriusm Points). Farming subjob items, Helping with missions, Helping with HTBFs, etc. etc. All of those things you don't need ==> Generate Altruism Points.

    Let these Altruism Points be used to further upgrade Dynamis necks, REMA weapons, purchase new Gallimaufry Amplifiers, etc. etc. Boom, competency problem solved (but yes there will always be someone gaming the system).
    Also, regarding this point, I think most people have now already done all the missions so everyone getting these points that you suggest will be quite rare, indeed. It depends which server you're on & what time of day. It ain't gonna work. Also the possibility of people powering up their own mules, just to get the points.

    I still think the best suggestion so far is what i suggested a while back about giving us more ROEs but for "Content: Sortie" & "Content: Odyssey" for exempler pts, gallimaufry & mog segments. It's a quick temporary solution but a needed one.

    At this point, your success and progression would be determined by how many people you help.
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    Last edited by RichLester; 10-03-2023 at 06:53 AM.

  9. #49
    Player RichLester's Avatar
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    From the latest update posting, they mention "... We have also made various other adjustments and bug fixes as part of the update". Other adjustments? What does that mean? I hope it's some of the suggestions I said like having Gorad being a Kindred Crest Storer & Abbysea NM KIs we can buy from the Curio Vendor Moogle once the last mission is completed so the particular Rhapsody KI is activated.
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  10. #50
    Player Sp1cyryan's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwydion View Post
    Immortal is talking about 75-Era XP not being a badge of Honor, and I agree with it.
    Of course they don't want to see them as a badge of honor. They botted their Master Levels. With every excuse in the book to justify it, and then lie and refuse to even acknowledge the fact.
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