Development Team Downsizing and Justification Makes no Sense

[Tarmarkvar]

Prove they are not doing these things, or if you prefer tell me why you trust them so much to not do those things.

That's absolutely not how debate works. You don't make wild assertions and then tell people to prove you wrong. You make assertions, present your evidence for those assertions, and then challenge other people to dispute your evidence. Otherwise I could tell you, for example, to prove to me that you don't murder hobos for fun.

[Voidstorm]

I mean really.

TLDR: If people still like Chess, make more Chess boards and don't try make super intergalatic blackhole 4d chOss'.

sorry, saw the meme, reminded me of the post. Had to do it.

[Pixela]

That's absolutely not how debate works. You don't make wild assertions and then tell people to prove you wrong. You make assertions, present your evidence for those assertions, and then challenge other people to dispute your evidence. Otherwise I could tell you, for example, to prove to me that you don't murder hobos for fun.

Spicy is a pain in the ass, he just says things all the time to be annoying and does it on purpose. Which is why I don't spend much time replying to him at all, at least not here.

The original point I made is perfectly valid and you know it is, if I gave you a link to a random exe would you download and install it? Because that's what these people are doing, and again it's not just with this specific server either because they download any that offers one like it's nothing.

Most of these "developers" don't even really make anything, they just download the entire package from github and install it on a server. There isn't much work to set one up and inject some naughty things into them.

There is no validation, there is no objective safety, it's all purely trust and you're trusting people you don't even know and that could disappear in a puff of smoke tomorrow. There could be a bad actor that joins the team months from now, and you keep getting updates to this gigs worth of software not knowing what it's doing.

People have way too much positivity bias, and it is idiocy given how much they can make stripping your account and selling all your assets.

[Zehira]

sorry, saw the meme, reminded me of the post. Had to do it.

I assumed Pixela visited HorizonXI's website to see my linkshell name. I joined few months ago anyway.

On retail, all we see is complain, complain, research, research, complain, complain...

On a private server, we just play, chat, share sweet memories, laugh at bugged things, and have fun. Not bad for free.

If developers from SE got tired of this game and want to move on to something new then I can understand but why can't some players just quit this game...? Mithra-fever?

[Alhanelem]

That's absolutely not how debate works. You don't make wild assertions and then tell people to prove you wrong. You make assertions, present your evidence for those assertions, and then challenge other people to dispute your evidence. Otherwise I could tell you, for example, to prove to me that you don't murder hobos for fun.

I've been trying to explain this for years, they'll never get it. You ask this guy for proof he either says "its ez to find go find it urself" or doesn't prove anything at all ever. It's up to the person making the claims to convince others that they are correct. Given the other person takes the opposite position, they aren't going to seek out info to prove themselves wrong nor are they obligated to.

I don't know if or who is selling gil on a private server and I don't care, it's kind of a moot point when the whole thing is illegitimate in the first place. While Pixela is pulling a bunch of crap out of nowhere, people are using that private server to play the game for free and it does damage the game by them so doing.

[Pixela]

You ask this guy for proof he either says "its ez to find go find it urself" or doesn't prove anything at all ever.

Still mad you lose every argument I see, pathetic.

[Alhanelem]

Still mad you lose every argument I see, pathetic.

You can't lose an argument when there is no argument, as you don't have one.

What you have is just a bunch of words that mean nothing, even the words that try to mean something fail to make an argument because you provide nothing to support them. You talk about budgets all the time, you've never linked to the budget you saw that made you say that. Clearly, you didn't go through the lessons they taught in high school/secondary school where they teach you to cite your sources.

[Catmato]

On retail, all we see is complain, complain, research, research, complain, complain...

Sounds like you need to surround yourself with better people. Also, I've heard many complaints about private servers, including the one you referenced.

[Zehira]

Sounds like you need to surround yourself with better people. Also, I've heard many complaints about private servers, including the one you referenced.

Private servers are far far far far from perfection, you know what, they don't care. They will do anything to destroy SE's oldest/outdated game, FF11... (for not having their desires met). I am not sure what complaints you have heard about them... It's just free to play.

What I understood, HorizonXI is trying something different than what Eden and Wings failed to do.

[Alhanelem]

It's just free to play.

What I understood, HorizonXI is trying something different than what Eden and Wings failed to do.

Well they all have one thing in common: They're all violating Square-Enix's rights, and they're all costing SE money, and they're all harming the live game. Maybe that's what they want. Doesn't make it right.

And to be clear, I like the game as it is now. I don't want to be capped to 75, I don't want broken content/mechanics/whatever else, I don't mind paying a sub and I don't want what those servers offer. And they all jeapordize the rest of ours' ability to play the official game.