Development Team Downsizing and Justification Makes no Sense

[Immortal]

No, they already turned FFXI into XIV fast paced battle endgame. People use third party tools to track us and even on voice chat (I can't use it). Too much stressful being a RDM.

I like the old way. Slow paced battle that gives us time to type and chat.

Only the hardest of fights like Odyssey v25 are like that. Everything else is still slow paced, you can easily chat in an Odyseey segment farm that doesn't take itself too seriously. You can chat in Ambuscade, you can chat in EP parties, you can chat in HtB. The list goes on, so really its a silly excuse.

[Zehira]

so really its a silly excuse.

Everyone has a different taste, unfortunately.

[Alhanelem]

No, they already turned FFXI into XIV fast paced battle endgame.

What? lol

Even with everything that's come since, FFXI doesn't have one tenth the pace of FFXIV. It's impossible when everything is menu and macro driven and everything takes like 3 seconds after pressing to happen. FFXI couldn't be as fast as FFXIV if it wanted to, the engine just wasn't designed for it, especially since the networking is deliberately bottlenecked at dialup speeds.

[Zehira]

It's impossible when everything is menu and macro driven and everything takes like 3 seconds after pressing to happen. FFXI couldn't be as fast as FFXIV if it wanted to, the engine just wasn't designed for it,

Sort of, you are right. Dynamis-D is a perfect example for that. Everything seems to go wrong by too many players and enemies. Unless upgrade the engine if SE must have to, FFXI was never meant for that. In reality, retail is very overwhelming for the most of FFXI veterans.

The only reason they play on an unofficial server is they feel Vana'diel is alive. Most of them are very helpful and friendly (unlike Asura) and are fun to play with. That's why they want a classic server even though the biggest issue is that SE couldn't able to police the game to keep everything civilized.

In America, it's very hard to sue HorizonXI due to the fact they all work for free. Like I thought maybe one day SE could just buy HorizonXI and make it official. They are the only experienced GMs I know that exist.

[Pixela]

good business decision

they are throwing money into nfts

their new ff game has a slow burn intellectual story with action combat

these people have no idea what they are doing

I find it amusing FF11 is older than Square Enix.

[Alhanelem]

In America, it's very hard to sue HorizonXI due to the fact they all work for free. Like I thought maybe one day SE could just buy HorizonXI and make it official. They are the only experienced GMs I know that exist.

You don't have to make money to get content matched online or get DMCA takedown'd. Now, if they did collect money for the service that would almost certainly trigger SE to go after them if they found out about it.

Nintendo is infamous for shutting down fan projects even where no money is involved.

I hate those players that quit for years and come back and try to dissuade others from caring about the game.

I've never truly quit, nor do I want people to not care about the game. But I also don't think people should put up with something they feel is constantly giving them the finger like in your case. If you're not having a good time, I would encourage you to find an activity that you do find enjoyable, nobody should be doing things they aren't happy doing.

All I've been trying to tell you this whole time is SE is going to do whatever will make them the most money. And developing major new expansions or makeovers for FFXI with tons of new content is not likely to give them anywhere near the payoff on their investment as if they spent those resources on something new. Complaining here and making fales statements about that other game you feel is somehow responsible for all of this (even though it isn't) is not going to persuade them to invest more in FFXI. it's going to take way, way more than the dozen or so of us who post on the forums to convince SE that it would be worth investing a lot of money into FFXI again.

[Pixela]

In America, it's very hard to sue HorizonXI due to the fact they all work for free. Like I thought maybe one day SE could just buy HorizonXI and make it official. They are the only experienced GMs I know that exist.

They do make money, do a quick google search for "gil buy horizon ffxi" marvel at the vast amount of it you can buy and the vast amount buying it. It's one server with 10 people working on it, it's not hard to understand they are the ones selling it. Because of course they are, why wouldn't they be? There is massive demand, it's free money since they can make 99999999999999gil from gm commands and they are not a legit company where this would be awful PR. It's just some guys you never heard of, that can shut the discord and website and disappear tomorrow. You don't even know their real names.

When you're running a PS people install you can do whatever you want, you''re not running a legal business in the first place where they worry about breaking business laws or ruining their reputation. They can have key loggers running on your computer when it's running if they want to harvest your steam, wow, bank, ff11 account passwords, to sell or hack you 1-2 years from now or if they get closed down. They can do anything they want. They can have no keyloggers for a few months when people could check for them, then install one with a patch months later and then remove them again a week later.

Are you smart enough to know if they were doing that? no you're not, you're tech illiterate and you're installing who the knows what from who knows who and allowing them to update it anytime they feel like it with whatever they want. You're putting all this trust in not only them being honest, but them being smart enough to not get hacked by someone else and hijack their service to install stuff on your computer.

Where does all this trust come from? you want to know the sad part? you're trusting it because its FFXI, you're overlaying the trust in the game and company onto literal nobodies on the internet who are running a wtf version they smashed together from bits and pieces.

Do they operate a game for a company you could sue? no, if they closed down tomorrow you wouldn't even know how to find them at all.

It's amazing how stupid people are and how trusting they are of literal nobodies asking you to install software that is being updated all the time.

Here is a bit of advice: If people are spending a lot of money every month to run something for free (and btw the more users they have the more expensive it is in hosting fees), they have some way they have plannend to make money they are losing off it. If you don't know how they plan to make money, you should be really worried about it.

[Sp1cyryan]

They do make money, do a quick google search for "gil buy horizon ffxi" marvel at the vast amount of it you can buy and the vast amount buying it. It's one server with 10 people working on it, it's not hard to understand they are the ones selling it. Because of course they are, why wouldn't they be? There is massive demand, it's free money since they can make 99999999999999gil from gm commands and they are not a legit company where this would be awful PR. It's just some guys you never heard of, that can shut the discord and website and disappear tomorrow. You don't even know their real names.

When you're running a PS people install you can do whatever you want, you''re not running a legal business in the first place where they worry about breaking business laws or ruining their reputation. They can have key loggers running on your computer when it's running if they want to harvest your steam, wow, bank, ff11 account passwords, to sell or hack you 1-2 years from now or if they get closed down. They can do anything they want. They can have no keyloggers for a few months when people could check for them, then install one with a patch months later and then remove them again a week later.

Are you smart enough to know if they were doing that? no you're not, you're tech illiterate and you're installing who the knows what from who knows who and allowing them to update it anytime they feel like it with whatever they want. You're putting all this trust in not only them being honest, but them being smart enough to not get hacked by someone else and hijack their service to install stuff on your computer.

Where does all this trust come from? you want to know the sad part? you're trusting it because its FFXI, you're overlaying the trust in the game and company onto literal nobodies on the internet who are running a wtf version they smashed together from bits and pieces.

Do they operate a game for a company you could sue? no, if they closed down tomorrow you wouldn't even know how to find them at all.

It's amazing how stupid people are and how trusting they are of literal nobodies asking you to install software that is being updated all the time.

Here is a bit of advice: If people are spending a lot of money every month to run something for free (and btw the more users they have the more expensive it is in hosting fees), they have some way they have plannend to make money they are losing off it. If you don't know how they plan to make money, you should be really worried about it.

Conspiracy theory of gil selling. Conspiracy theory of keylogging players, conspiracy of hijacking and installing things to players PCs. Then says people are stupid for essentially participating and that there must be a plan to profit.

Pix is big mad.

[Pixela]

Prove they are not doing these things, or if you prefer tell me why you trust them so much to not do those things.

Reply fast as you may have already won a million dollars Mr Spicy Ryan, all you have to do is give me your bank account details. Reply fast!

[Tarmarkvar]

Prove they are not doing these things, or if you prefer tell me why you trust them so much to not do those things.

That's absolutely not how debate works. You don't make wild assertions and then tell people to prove you wrong. You make assertions, present your evidence for those assertions, and then challenge other people to dispute your evidence. Otherwise I could tell you, for example, to prove to me that you don't murder hobos for fun.