If you add a shared sub model between XI and XIV

[Pixela]

I don't want ffxi-2, I want them to take this game seriously and part of taking the game seriously is charging full price for a game that gets updated.

As such, the rumor being fake is good.

[Alhanelem]

I don't want ffxi-2, I want them to take this game seriously and part of taking the game seriously is charging full price for a game that gets updated.

As such, the rumor being fake is good.

I mean, I never put stock in rumors in the first place, but someone who doesn't understand how promotional discounts can boost sales makes me glad you aren't the proprietor of a retail establishment. Someone could open up a store across from yours and put up a sign that says "10% off the shop across the street," and you being the principled person you are refuses to offer any discounts because serious people pay full price, goes out of business because they don't understand how promotional offers work, while the other place pulls in all your customers because they have the same products for 10% off. Now their business has grown and they're more successful than ever, all because they were willing to eat into their profits a bit in order to get money from people who previously weren't giving them any money.

The only other logical conclusion would be that you're a contrarian, whose sole purpose is only to oppose people you don't like. And sometimes I get the feeling that you specifically post to oppose anything I think is a good idea. I'll stop short of actually accusing you of that though, because I've also been accused of that in the past. Maybe it is a truly held opinion of yours, but given this is far from the only topic you oppose me on without much in the way of an argument against my opinion, it certainly is a possibility.

[Pixela]

who doesn't understand how promotional discounts can boost sales makes me glad you aren't the proprietor of a retail establishment.

You're using business tactics used in retail and trying to apply them to a video game with a sub, which doesn't really work.

A shop can want increased sales in order to get lower per unit prices from the supplier, for instance a supermarket gets much cheaper prices due to how many items they sell compared to a small shop.
A shop can want to put a competing shop out of business.
A shop can sell cheap products to sell other things when you're inside.

These don't apply to XI, they don't even want to grow the playerbase either. If they did they would release the game on ps4, release expansions or advertise it more instead of never mention it any way out of fear of it being confused with ff14.

They have even stated their entire goal is to make the players the game already has happy and not appeal to others.

[Sp1cyryan]

You two are perfect together.

[Alhanelem]

You're using business tactics used in retail and trying to apply them to a video game with a sub, which doesn't really work.

There's nothing about a game subscription that doesn't allow sales to work.
Let's say you have 1000 people currently playing FFXIV and paying $12.99 a month for it, and none of them currently play FFXI.
SE offers this promotion: "Subscribe to both FFXI and FFXIV and pay only $20.99 a month, that's a $5 savings!"
Let's say 100 people take them up on this offer and begin playing FFXI.
Yes, SE is getting 5 fewer dollars from them for the added FFXI sub.
But these players were not playing FFXI before, so that's still $7.99 that they are getting from these people that weren't getting before they offered this promotion, so for 100 people, that's $799.00 a month that they were not getting from these customers before, because they wouldn't have signed up if they didn't offer the promotion. $799 is greater than 0 so they are still gaining money from existing customers.

Even if you can come up with some fuzzy math to say why you think I'm wrong, SE already offers discounts in other areas from time to time, on server transfer fees and purchasing the game itself, which can be seen as the first month of the game. They wouldn't offer these discounts unless they thought they would get money from people who wouldn't have given it to them otherwise.

The whole point of a promotion is to get money from people that you weren't getting before, and that's what would be happening here if they offered a combo discount.

And even if every last remaining honest player quit the game today, they'd STILL be making money from the botters and thus FFXI wouldn't get shut down.

[Alhanelem]

You two are perfect together.

A perfect storm, that is....