If you add a shared sub model between XI and XIV

[BobbinT]

Do you honestly think everyone will take the extra payment to move from 14 to 11? You're almost funny. /s

move? What do you mean? Can't ppl have both worlds instead, especially for a Final Fantasy Fans?

[Alhanelem]

Do you honestly think everyone will take the extra payment to move from 14 to 11? You're almost funny. /s

It's not to make people move, it's to get money from people who want to try both but don't want to because they don't want to pay two MMO subs. And I have met quite a few such people in my FFXIV travels.

[Pixela]

I'm worried a move like this if successful will make the game near unplayable to the people actually paying for it. Everything is limited, whether it's queues to enter content or just competition for stuff like NM claims.

I already have to swap server sometimes to do Emp weapon farming, this would make it pointless cause all servers would be overcamped.

[Zenion]

I'm worried a move like this if successful will make the game near unplayable to the people actually paying for it. Everything is limited, whether it's queues to enter content or just competition for stuff like NM claims.

I already have to swap server sometimes to do Emp weapon farming, this would make it pointless cause all servers would be overcamped.

So, you're worried that offering Final Fantasy XIV players a chance to play Final Fantasy XI would lead to such a massive influx of new players that all servers would become as congested as Asura?

Why Pixela, I never knew you to be such an optimist.

If there were some kind of shared subscription model implemented, we'd probably see a surge in demand for early game content for about a month, quickly dwindling to barely more traffic than before the merger. Maybe some old FFXI players who made the jump to FFXIV would come back to see what's changed, and some might even stay. For the most part though, I wouldn't count on there being some gigantic untapped market for people who play FFXIV because they love the Final Fantasy franchise, but secretly wish they could be playing Everquest instead of World of Warcraft and somehow don't already know that FFXI exists.

[Alhanelem]

I'm worried a move like this if successful will make the game near unplayable to the people actually paying for it.

Your worries are unjustified. No one is or should expect some massive influx of players from such a program. This is about a moderate number of curious souls who have heard about FFXI but are already subscribed to an MMO and don't really want to pay for two.

Everything is limited, whether it's queues to enter content or just competition for stuff like NM claims.

I already have to swap server sometimes to do Emp weapon farming, this would make it pointless cause all servers would be overcamped.

1)the most famous NMs were changed to force pops which solved that problem years ago. I don't know how many other NMs people care much about other than making some gil, which you can do with almost any NM.
2)With the exception of Asura and maybe Bahamut most servers are well below the capacity they can handle and would welcome an influx of players.
3) Why the heck are you regularly server hopping for emp weapons? Why not just stay on the lesser populated server and give that server population +1? You can still do anything you set your mind to on any other server.



There is absolutely no way this would happen but if so many curious XIV players did come to FFXI, all they'd have to do is add new worlds. It's not like there's a hard limit to how many players they can accomodate. Again, there's no way this would happen, but even if it did, the solution is simple.

Everyone wants more players. Why would that be a bad thing? If they need more capacity, they can add more capacity.

[Pixela]

I'm gonna be super disappointed if they go with a shared sub due to the message it sends.

At best given them a couple of free mog wardrobes or something.

[Alhanelem]

I'm gonna be super disappointed if they go with a shared sub due to the message it sends.

At best given them a couple of free mog wardrobes or something.

For anyone other than you, it sends a great message, that SE is willing to give people a break for dividing time between two massively time consuming MMORPGs. It really is that simple, you have X time to spend, the subscription fee assumes you'll spend a certain amount of time playing. Playing more than one MMO doesn't mean you are adding extra hours in a day to play them, so it doesn't make sense to charge someone playing both the full price of both.

I don't know why this concept is so lost on you.

Having said that -
I've seen multiple gaming news outlets reporting on this supposed anniversary presentation in February, despite the fact that FF's anniversary is in December. It's not just 4chan anymore, but it still doesn't make sense.

[Pixela]

A) $12 + B) $12

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A+B) $12

[Alhanelem]

A) $12 + B) $12

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A+B) $12

I don't think anyone, myself included, ever proposed "buy one get one free." Just "A discount." If someone is willing to pay A + 50% of B but 100% of B, they still gain more money than if they didn't pay for B at all.

More money than the cost of one or the other is better than not getting any more money if the person would not have paid otherwise.

They have done it in the past and there is no reason they can't do it again. The only limitation there should be is that (as is normally the case with discounts) it won't stack with any other discount i.e. the XIV Legacy Account discount.

It's probably for the best that you don't likely run a department store, because you don't seem to understand how coupons and discounts bring in customers they might not have otherwise obtained.

Blizzard's battle.net holiday/event sales even apply to WoW and its ingame item/service purchases. They wouldn't run sales if they weren't beneficial.

This objection of yours is based on a flawed and false notion that if SE gets a few dollars less from a few customers that the game will die/disappear, and that is simply a ridiculous conclusion to come to based on no evidence. Please find me an example of some other game offering a promotional discount which led to its downfall. You won't find such an example to support your hypothesis because it doesn't exist. There is no precedent for what you're arguing.

[Pixela]

The only way a company would throw away profits by offering a two fer 1 deal is if they don't plan to update it much more, which is probably going to happen when someone as important as Matsui leaves.

As such if this shared sub idea does happen, we need to get a reduction in the base subscription too.

I and others should not pay $12 for this game when you're giving it away to others for free.