Augment Saber and Fan Dance

[autobot]

Would be nice if something would augment these so you can use both Waltz's and Samba's when having either saber or fan dance activated

[Kjara]

technically a way there is... to have someone else use sambas while you use fan dance lol.
I think removing the "flaws" to both these JAs would kill the main purpose they were made for. Saber and Fan dance are DNC's way to have a "dual mode" like a lot of jobs nowadays do (Light/Dark Arts, Afflatus Solace/Misery, Innin/Yonin, Hasso/Seigan etc.) if you look at all those JAs they all have pros and cons, you can't just ask to have both with just gain and no pain. SE gave these JAs pro/cons to incentivate the player into switching as the situation requires, and add more strategy to the job.

[Byrth]

It is hard to argue that either JA is powerful enough to justify limiting playstyle while it is active. Recast is Hasso's only penalty, and SAM doesn't even get magic.

[GERM]

It is hard to argue that either JA is powerful enough to justify limiting playstyle while it is active. Recast is Hasso's only penalty, and SAM doesn't even get magic.

To an extent yes its limited to the ability and what it does where you can either be offensive or defensive and not both at the same time but if you take into consideration for subjob for instance NIN being the most beneficial sub for most jobs especially front line a SAM is gimped here with both these job abilities, 3rd eye and utsemi over write each other and with hasso active it adds to the casting time instead decreaseing it with the x% haste effect
so in the interest of fairness and the ability to do one and not both its pretty evenly distributed in my opinion..

[Byrth]

Saber Dance makes DNC/NIN play like MNK/NIN. For Dancer to play like Dancer, it needs the ability to Waltz and a reduction of JA delay.

Fan Dance is a conundrum. You gain PDT that decays on a hit-by-hit basis and keep the ability to Waltz, but lose your ability to provide Samba. So can Waltz, but won't need to, and you kill slower. If you don't have hate, then you don't need the PDT and might as well be providing Samba. I just use this like an oh-shit device unless I'm blood tanking or am afraid of one-shotting moves.

[Dova_quetz]

You could always just merit fan dance 5/5. saber dance is pointless. get haste gear and stop using daggers over 200 delay. with 5/5 fan dance u can put it up when things get shaky get your composure back click it off and go back to sambaing. its pretty simple. by time u lose all shadows and will to stay alive it'll be back up in no time! if youre halfway decent

[Alkalinehoe]

You could always just merit fan dance 5/5. saber dance is pointless. get haste gear and stop using daggers over 200 delay. with 5/5 fan dance u can put it up when things get shaky get your composure back click it off and go back to sambaing. its pretty simple. by time u lose all shadows and will to stay alive it'll be back up in no time! if youre halfway decent

Try using Saber Dance added onto all that you just mentioned. Saber Dance is an excellent DDing ability that speeds up soloing or DDing in a party situation. Any DNC should have at least 1/5 unless you only solo NMs that absolutely require having Fan Dance up Full time.

[Dova_quetz]

Try using Saber Dance added onto all that you just mentioned. Saber Dance is an excellent DDing ability that speeds up soloing or DDing in a party situation. Any DNC should have at least 1/5 unless you only solo NMs that absolutely require having Fan Dance up Full time.

Even in a party fan dance is still better. If you ever been in a situation where things are getting shifty you can put it up and be self sufficient while everyone else tries to figure out why they leveled whatever job they are on. If you are saber dancing through parties or events/whatever and not tanking your tanks are gonna hate you. If you are tanking your mages are gonna due to lack of being able to waltz. Unless you wanna click it off. Which is a waste of a merit

[Alkalinehoe]

Even in a party fan dance is still better. If you ever been in a situation where things are getting shifty you can put it up and be self sufficient while everyone else tries to figure out why they leveled whatever job they are on. If you are saber dancing through parties or events/whatever and not tanking your tanks are gonna hate you. If you are tanking your mages are gonna due to lack of being able to waltz. Unless you wanna click it off. Which is a waste of a merit

Why are you getting hit during Saber Dance in the first place? And why do you need to cure yourself? Are you getting hit sooooo much that you need mages cure bombing you while you waltz yourself? You aren't making sense.

Yes, Fan Dance is an extremely useful ability, not denying that at all! What I am aruging, is your seemingly choice to full time it. which is a poor choice. I understand that if things get hairy you should pop Fan Dance while the rest of your party gets their act together, but what about before then? You're just hurting your damage. I full time Saber Dance most of the time when I'm tanking because 1. I don't get hit often 2. When I do get hit, I let the healer heal me. They're there for a reason, no sense to waste 50+ TP curing myself when they can get back the lost MP in a few ticks. 3. It speeds things up, which is always good.

[Dova_quetz]

Why are you getting hit during Saber Dance in the first place? And why do you need to cure yourself? Are you getting hit sooooo much that you need mages cure bombing you while you waltz yourself? You aren't making sense.

Yes, Fan Dance is an extremely useful ability, not denying that at all! What I am aruging, is your seemingly choice to full time it. which is a poor choice. I understand that if things get hairy you should pop Fan Dance while the rest of your party gets their act together, but what about before then? You're just hurting your damage. I full time Saber Dance most of the time when I'm tanking because 1. I don't get hit often 2. When I do get hit, I let the healer heal me. They're there for a reason, no sense to waste 50+ TP curing myself when they can get back the lost MP in a few ticks. 3. It speeds things up, which is always good.

Before you quote me that i full time fan dance... go on head to the first page of this thread and read my post kthx