[dev1010] Dark Knight's Adjustments

[Jar]

Dancing edge > evi

DE has higher mods and Ftp....

KJ is in the same boat having better Ftp and mods....

im glad you like to crit and shit but without the +30% crit damage they are behind the weaponskills ppl used before abyssea..

ppl used them over the other weaponskill for a reason...

[Karbuncle]

Dancing edge > evi

DE has higher mods and Ftp....

KJ is in the same boat having better Ftp and mods....

im glad you like to crit and shit but without the +30% crit damage they are behind the weaponskills ppl used before abyssea..

ppl used them over the other weaponskill for a reason...

Dancing Edge does have higher mods, However Evisc can crit, and will Average higher numbers. Especially with the 5% Crit job trait, Loki's Kaftan, and the Tathlum with Critdmg+3%. It pulls ahead in average with proper gear. Before Abyssea it was worse, but only by a little because of the randomness of Crit. Now we have more Crit+ gear, and CritDMG+Gear, it pulls ahead.

Raging rush has always been better than KJ since before abyssea, it was always a close call, but due to RR's Crit ability it came ahead unless you had Mighty Strikes up. It was again, Very close call, but RR usually averaged bigger number.

Before Abyssea though, yeah, DE was better than EV, Afterwards we have new job traits and gear that make Evisc pull ahead.

[Jar]

Lol, Oh god. I just. Wow.

Dancing Edge does have higher mods, However Evisc can crit, and will Average higher numbers. Especially with the 5% Crit job trait, Loki's Kaftan, and the Tathlum with Critdmg+3%.

Raging rush has always been better than KJ since before abyssea, it was always a close call, but due to RR's Crit ability it came ahead unless you had Mighty Strikes up.

KJ is 1.0|1.25|1.5 fTP 50% STR
RR is 1Ftp 35% str...

with out the +30% KJ wins.... because crit rate is only 34% at 100% tp (not counting gear) ........

[Karbuncle]

KJ is 1.0|1.25|1.5 fTP 50% STR
RR is 1Ftp 35% str...

with out the +30% KJ wins.... because crit rate is only 34% at 100% tp (not counting gear) ........

You shouldn't be storing to 300% TP for 1 Weaponskill, So lets make a more fair comparison

100% TP KJ vs
100% TP RR

100%TP KJ
ftp 1.0 mods 50% STR. Cannot Crit.

100%TP RR
fTP 1.0 mods 35% STR. Can crit.

Raging Rush wins. If you're @ 300% TP, It'd be close, Probably favor Kings justice. But you really shouldn't ever be saving to 300% Tp.

15% more of your STR added to Weapon base damage isn't going to make up for the damage gained from even 1 Critical hit on Raging Rush. Especially with the current Gear Available to WARs for this Weaponskill.

Edit: I should say, "on average". If you don't land a Crit in RR, KJ Will outperform Obviously, Its the Critical hits that make it average higher. After Gear WARs can get respectable Critical Hit Rate on Raging Rush. So i do understand where you're coming from. But if you gear correctly RR will always > KJ, Most WAR's have separate gear sets for RR and KJ for that reason. RR focusing more on increase Critical hit Rate/Dmg, for KJ pure Dmg.

As for THF and Evisc, The Mods are close, but the 30%CHR mod before Abyssea made DE win most of the time. However since level 90 with Loki's Kaftan, a lot more Crit+ Armor (THF legs mainly amongst other things), the Tathlum, Cavaros Mantle (Questionable) and the Job Trait, Evisceration has really pulled ahead.

I think realistically THF Can get somewhere in the ballpark of ~23% Crit hit damage outside Abyssea. also you can ask a good amount of THFs, IF you had X's Knife back in the day, Evisc Won at 75.

DE is still a great WS, But on Average Evisc wins. Its a close call.

[Jar]

You shouldn't be storing to 300% TP for 1 Weaponskill, So lets make a more fair comparison

100% TP KJ vs
100% TP RR

100%TP KJ
ftp 1.0 mods 50% STR. Cannot Crit.

100%TP RR
fTP 1.0 mods 35% STR. Can crit.

Raging Rush wins. If you're @ 300% TP, It'd be close, Probably favor Kings justice. But you really shouldn't ever be saving to 300% Tp.

15% more of your STR added to Weapon base damage isn't going to make up for the damage gained from even 1 Critical hit on Raging Rush. Especially with the current Gear Available to WARs for this Weaponskill.

Edit: I should say, "on average". If you don't land a Crit in RR, KJ Will outperform Obviously, Its the Critical hits that make it average higher. After Gear WARs can get respectable Critical Hit Rate on Raging Rush. So i do understand where you're coming from. But if you gear correctly RR will always > KJ, Most WAR's have separate gear sets for RR and KJ for that reason. RR focusing more on increase Critical hit Rate/Dmg, for KJ pure Dmg.

As for THF and Evisc, The Mods are close, but the 30%CHR mod before Abyssea made DE win most of the time. However since level 90 with Loki's Kaftan, a lot more Crit+ Armor (THF legs mainly amongst other things), the Tathlum, Cavaros Mantle (Questionable) and the Job Trait, Evisceration has really pulled ahead.

I think realistically THF Can get somewhere in the ballpark of ~23% Crit hit damage outside Abyssea. also you can ask a good amount of THFs, IF you had X's Knife back in the day, Evisc Won at 75.

DE is still a great WS, But on Average Evisc wins. Its a close call.

I can agree with the THF part but still not seeing how wars lackluster crits (not with blood rage up) would pull ahead of the extra 15% str

[Nariont]

I can agree with the THF part but still not seeing how wars lackluster crits (not with blood rage up) would pull ahead of the extra 15% str

15-18% crit dmg is lackluster? (did war get tier 2 crit dmg trait?)

[Sedres]

I really, really don't understand why people are still asking for a Crit WS. The new VIT-Crit calculation is OBVIOUSLY being brought in to address the crazy crit WS numbers. Anyone thinking otherwise must be worried theur crit jobs aren't going to be game breaking anymore.

No one TOUCHED Evisceration before Abyssea. It was all Dancing Edge. And King's Justice was damn good in Merit Parties Pre-lv80. Crit WS are what they are in game now because of Razed Ruin, it's simple as that.

Providing we keep the 25% haste from Desperate Blows (which I have my doubts about, I wouldn't be surprised if it stopped after 30 seconds), I think this'll easily be the boost DRK needs for it's melee damage. I'm also an avid fan of Souleater, throwing out two back-to-back SE Guillo's is more than going to make up for not getting a 6k crit WS especially as I won't be killing myself in the process. Heck I'd be happy if they left it at 5%, at least I could get 2 WS out before dipping majorly below 50% of my HP.

I suspect the first Stalwart Soul will being the HP penalty down by 5% (lv45 being subbable, people might be tempted to add 5% of their HP to their WS for a 5% boost, as opposed to adding 10% for a 5% boost, if that makes sense).

Anyway... carry on

[Cljader1]

This is a good start SE but you still need to address our 2-hour ability, its really embarrassing dncs basically have this ability to use whenever they like. Blood Weapon should not be a 2-hour but rather a regular job ability, please give us a worth while 2hr every job has a better 2hour than drk.

[Nariont]

No one TOUCHED Evisceration before Abyssea. It was all Dancing Edge. And King's Justice was damn good in Merit Parties Pre-lv80. Crit WS are what they are in game now because of Razed Ruin, it's simple as that.

except no and no. Evis was becoming a rising favorite among anyone who could use it, originally it was only if you had x's, then people started figuring out its crit rate, now with all the crit dmg gear its even more obvious. Raging rush was always the top ws unless you were using mighty strikes. The only difference between then and now is that the gap wasnt hugely massive. But my point is in pretty much all cases, if a weapon had a crit ws, it was the better ws', that was true even before aby it just wasnt horribly obvious.

[Therin]

Raging rush was always the top ws unless you were using mighty strikes. The only difference between then and now is that the gap wasnt hugely massive. But my point is in pretty much all cases, if a weapon had a crit ws, it was the better ws', that was true even before aby it just wasnt horribly obvious.

We did this math to death on BG and found out that unless you had (I believe it was, it's been a while) a 22% critical hit rate or higher, King's Justice would outperform Raging Rush on average. That required something like +35 DEX for a Mithra and nearly +45 DEX for an Elvaan on Greater Colibri (with Claymore Grip and Zahak's Mail) and even more for most other monsters. So, overall you could say that King's Justice is better, unless you have a very particular set of gear for Raging Rush.