[dev1010] Dark Knight's Adjustments

[Jar]

This is not true. With a Dnc with merited haste samba and Sam SJ, you can have 80% haste even without Brd soul voice.

25+36+20 = 80 right!

but who plays dance?

[Ender]

Admittedly not many people.... Just trying to show that LR update is not as "earthshattering" as some people are making it out to be, especially under high buff situations.

[Jar]

Admittedly not many people.... Just trying to show that LR update is not as "earthshattering" as some people are making it out to be, especially under high buff situations.

Its a big deal because most the time it will put us 10-15% haste above other ppl

[Ender]

Its a big deal because most the time it will put us 10-15% haste above other ppl

And why is that a bad thing?

To put things into perspective, most other melee have other ways of increasing their attack speed and TP gain - ie. Mnk with martial arts (30% reduction), nin with DW (35% reduction albeit lower TP gain), War with DA, Sam meditate + hasso, Drg jumps, etc. On top of that, with the exception of Sam, those jobs can take advantage of critical hit WSs. Drk has what? Absorb-TP and tactical parry? Oh right and Occult Acumen.

This is definitely a great addition to Drk without overpowering it. It simply levels the playing field a bit. I can only hope that the Devs have the sense not to nerf it in any way. That is my primary concern when I hear people claiming that it is overpowered in some way

[Atomic_Skull]

Its a big deal because most the time it will put us 10-15% haste above other ppl

I don't think he understands how much extra damage that is once you already have over 50% haste. It does not work like Double Attack where 10% = X amount of DPS. The amount of DPS haste adds is dependent on how much total haste you have. At 60% haste adding 20% more haste will double your DPS.

Also Torcleaver is comparable in damage to other job's critical hit WS. It's not that hard to get an NQ.

[Ender]

I posted a chart but he still doesn't understand how much extra damage that is once you already have over 50% haste. It does not work like Double Attack where 10% = X amount of DPS. The amount of DPS haste adds is dependent on how much total haste you have. At 60% haste adding 20% more haste will double your DPS.

Why did you compare 61.5% to 80%? The former includes magical + gear, while the latter includes magical + gear + JA. A more fair comparison would be 71.5% to 80%, assuming Drk is using Hasso.

So the comparison would be:

Twilight Scythe (Dmg: 128, Delay: 513)

71.5% Haste; Delay: 146.205 DPS: 52.53


80% Haste; Delay: 102.6 DPS: 74.85


So pretty significant boost in DPS but not exactly close to double.

I'm curious, what do you feel about this update? I just ask because everything you say seems to border on it would make Drk overpowered. I do agree with you though that adding a crit WS might be pushing it but that is for the Devs to decide.