[dev1009] Notorious monster adjustments...

[Musahashi]

How do you justify the adjustments your making to the blackbelt NM's?

I know why your changing this, but why punish the entire population of FFXI players, when it makes more sense to ban those players using 3rd party software in order to monopolise the blackbelt.

Surely the £9 they pay each month can't make that much of a difference to the billionares collecting the paychecks... So why punish us?

Now if the pop item wass dropped by a normal monster or NM, spawned under normal timed conditions, this would be a more fair solution to your problem, making people spend 99 kindred seals to fight an NM that isn't garuanteed to drop the required item, isn't going to do this, instead you'll find the cheats back at work monopolising the KSNM system. Well done SE!

[Secondplanet]

I know i'll get blasted for this but i think ALL nm's should be pop ones, Reason you ask? A friend wants the emp hairpin.... yeah its old school but they are just starting, anyways you go to the dunes and next thing you know there is a whole LS camping him, not for his hairpin but for the trial weapons. You can ask them if your friend could have said hairpin and they either blank you or say party is full. Keep the pop NM's for the trial weapons but make a ??? that you trade an item to pop one that drops the equipment now. Perfect example make us of the damslefly worm, trade it to a ??? to spawn the Valkhurm Empress, wouldn't that make more sense?

But again going back to the original post, SE hasn't said what the % on drop for the item will be maybe they'll amp it up to about 50% but again knowing SE it will be like 10%.

[RAIST]

This touches on my main problem with the new system--completely taking the BB drops away from the NQ NM's. I just don't understand why they felt the need to do this. They are reducing the drop rate on the HQ so they no longer are 100% drop, and the pop item is NOT going to be 100% drop from the NQ NM's either.

If they had left the drop on the NQ's, then you would have ~5% drop rate on the KSNM99, 100% rate on NQ NM pop item. That NM could have stayed with the ~10% drop rate for BB item, and whatever the % drop rate for the HQ NM. Then the HQ would have the reduced drop rate for the BB items as well. This would still leave you somewhere between 5-10% drop rate for the items on the first two options to get them. The third option can't be factored in yet, as the rates are unknown--but if the pop item falls at 50% and the BB items fall from the HQ at 50%, that still can potentially come down to a 25% chance (theoretically) to get the BB items and still require a lot of work (could potentially have to do multiple KS99 runs to get NQ, to get HQ and still get no drop and rinse/repeat).

With the 5% rate on the KS99, and (IF they kept it) a 10% drop rate on the NQ--you might well end up with your BB items on the multiple runs to get to HQ fight again if you fail to get the items on the HQ fight--but could still have to run the process 3-5 times before you get the items (again, theory). So, some could get lucky and get them in 1, 2, or 3 fights--while some with a streak of bad luck could have to do up to 12 (or even more) fights just to get ONE item (taking HOURS of time and effort, might I add). That hardly seems unbalanced to the point to justify completely removing the drops from the NQ NM.

[Musahashi]

This isn't a question of making the NM's require pop items, or a question of the drop rates. It's a question of SE policy and fair play. In SE's terms and conditions, everybody accepts that 3rd party software is not allowed to be used, yet people do, and this makes the game unfair, the Black belt is the number 1 reason for this, allowing players to monopolise the items. SE should be banning those players, not destroying any sense of hope that a player once had.

Further more, they are not making any sense when it comes to getting an item, especially if it will take a KS99 fight, the players previously monopolising the items will continue to do so, by selling the KS that they will farm. I don't see a solution to any of the mentioned problems by doing this, only moving the problem further into troubled water.

As I said, either give players the ability to gain a pop item outside of a KS99 fight, or leave the system alone.

[Anewie]

The whining is getting out of hand.

If you cannot find some form of pleasure with the updates and you don't want to offer any solutions or possible fixes to what you deem unfair or whatever, go play a different game. You complained about botting and you got instanced mobs and you're still complaining? If it wasn't delivered to your mog house, would you be happy?

Theres nothing standing in the way of you getting black belt.. You can easily go farm KS seals in your free time. What is the problem NOW? Oh... It costs too many k seals!!! Boohoo. Its the BEST belt in game. Stop complaining and when you have the free time, farm for it. No one is going to stand in your way. Not cheaters, your back problems or even the drop rates. This is a good update for you people, so stop complaining and play the game. This is not unreasonable. It's an amazing item...

It should require some heft effort.

[Flunklesnarkin]

I am so sick of you whiney players.

GO PLAY WOW. You complained about botting and you got instanced mobs and you're still COMPLAINING? GTFO.

THERES NO ONE STANDING IN THE WAY OF YOU GETTING BLACK BELT BESIDES THE FACT THAT YOU'RE LAZY. You can easily go farm KS seals in your free time. What is the problem NOW? Oh... It costs too many k seals!!! Boohoo. Its the BEST belt in game. Stop complaining and when you have the free time, farm for it. No one is going to stand in your way. Not cheaters, your back problems or even the drop rates. This is a good update for you people, so stop complaining and play the game. This is not unreasonable. It's an amazing item...

I'm tired of the whining on these forums. You guys blaming botters for not getting k seals now!!!? Id say kill yourself but that maybe against forum rules.. I can only hope someday SE Hires Isladar to moderate these forums.

U mad

but i agree with the general sentiment

[Anewie]

U mad

but i agree with the general sentiment

I'm really not mad. I'm actually happy DRING is more accessable now. That's awesome but these forums are not and should not be a place for people to just whine. It's all over and it makes this forum so unattractive. I'm not saying this should be like BG, bg can be elitest and unfriendly but BG is logic friendly and these forums are not atm.

It's really just a bunch of people griping an complaining about everything and not offering possible and logical fixes. That shouldn't be what these forums are used for. And the same people making the same threads over and over. These already five of this very same thread.

[Twille]

i agree with making the NQ & HQ HNMS force pop only. i think making the required pop item a KSNM drop is a terrible idea, and by terrible, i mean TERRIBLE.

[Greatguardian]

I had no idea that Black Belt items were the #1 reason for the existence of third party programs in FFXI. I guess you learn something new every day.

[Duelle]

Personally, I have a feeling the devs are trying to be clever and introduce the other drops into the economy by forcing people to fight the land kings more. Problem is that I also feel the set up is dumb. I'm fine with the drop being removed from KS99, but not with it being removed from the land kings themselves. Faf should keep its chance to drop the beard, nerf Nidhogg's chance to drop it as you like, but otherwise little needed to be changed.