[dev1010] Spirits

[Alhanelem]

We are at yet another job adjustments but no sight of spirits adjustments. When are they coming?

Hopefully never. They serve the purposes they currently serve just fine and dont' need any other puprose.

I don't understand the big attachement to spirits. Avatars are supposed to be the mainstay of the job. Why do we want spirits to be so good? They have a certain amount of utility already and they're fine the way they are-

1) They cast quickly and as such can be used to lose aggro that is attacking you.
2) elemental siphon, self explanatory
3) light spirit's buffs are superior to your own with any subjob and can be handy if you really need them. Also the unique ability to cast curaga spells on other parties in an alliance.
4) As they're still locked to tier IV, there's some chance you can use them for yellow proc.

Forget the bleepin' spirits and give summoner buffs where it really needs them- like the cap on BP delay - or the resist rate of avatar enfeebling effects.

[Ravenmore]

Yes, I don't see a problem with it, every job has skills/ws that have really no use at all, and you dont see us crying bloody murder. (cough breaker skills like hamanoha, ancient circle etc.)

Almost all the elemental WS were used for nothing beofre they were used for procs, and some quest WSs were rarely used.

[Alhanelem]

Almost all the elemental WS were used for nothing beofre they were used for procs, and some quest WSs were rarely used.

Yes, but no one was complaining about this. They simply ignored them and used things that were worth using.

[Soundwave]

1) They cast quickly and as such can be used to lose aggro that is attacking you.

This was explained by another and I in this thread or possible another thread that...

The chances of this being successful is slim to none because if you smn a spirit just to get the mob off you....you are going to have serious hate issues for the rest of the fight.

I will welcome an adjustment to spirits however its not the end of the world that we don't get an adjustment to our spirits......we have our avatars that's our job and what makes a summoner a summoner.

[Korpg]

This was explained by another and I in this thread or possible another thread that...

The chances of this being successful is slim to none because if you smn a spirit just to get the mob off you....you are going to have serious hate issues for the rest of the fight.

I will welcome an adjustment to spirits however its not the end of the world that we don't get an adjustment to our spirits......we have our avatars that's our job and what makes a summoner a summoner.

Not really.

Times that you don't have an avatar up and you get aggro for whatever reason, that is a good enough reason to summon a spirit to GTFO of there.

Besides, you will be surprised by how much hate a SMN holds. Or has towards any mob.

[Alhanelem]

The chances of this being successful is slim to none

The chances of it working is 100% to 100%, because it works every time. If you aggro something, even if the spirit misses, it will take the mob off you. The only way it can not work is if you don't have enough HP to take the 2 hits or so you'll probably take before the spirit starts attacking.

The spirits pretty much officially exist for one reason alone: So people who did not buy rise of the zilart would have more than just Carbuncle to summon, as Summoner was not an ROTZ job but all of the celestial avatars require Rise of the Zilart to obtain.

Spirits have their uses, and no further development time should be invested when they could add new avatars or improve the existing ones instead.

[Soundwave]

Well I know the both of you are pretty stubborn so it did not surprise me by your reply, however It may work but at a random cost.....

Alhanelem makes a bit more sense. Yes you do need HP to survive hits....butttttt...at the cost of you having to try to cure yourself

(By the time you are far enough away...during this buffing/curing process your spirit will normally be dead now.....possible have time for maybe one spell.)

Depends mainly on what you are fighting....an NM of some sort this situation will only accrue.

In other words again it will not be a healthy fight and you will lose more often than you win.

[Dallas]

If you summon a spirit and can get away, why aren't you replacing the weak spirit with an avatar?

[Alhanelem]

Alhanelem makes a bit more sense. Yes you do need HP to survive hits....butttttt...at the cost of you having to try to cure yourself

If you summon a spirit and can get away, why aren't you replacing the weak spirit with an avatar?

The whole point here is to get away. Not to fight. If you can get away and want to kill whatever aggroed you, sure, yes you can summon an avatar. The point in using spirits this way is you can more quickly pull them out in an emergency.

[Dallas]

In Soundwave's example, the spirit was not sufficient to resolve the emergency.