Please Rework "FULL BREAK'S" effectiveness + other GA ws's like it DEV TEAM /wave

[Fiarlia]

Completely unrelated, but that new sig is much much much much much much much better.

[kingfury]

@ Fiarlia:
^^ Thanks /salute.

[TybudX]

It helps when you post things in context:

EDIT: if the WAR is dieing he should get better DT gear or a better WHM. Breaks were also never useful or good.
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Again, this doesn't really help if you just got one-shotted in the face from being inside when you should've been /away

You brought up being one-shotted as a defense for somehow... something? I really don't know what you were getting at, other than making excuses for playing bad and trying to defend the use of 'slow and steady battle tactics'. I assume you mean using terrible weapon skills, like the break line of great axe WSs? Or did you just bring that up for no reason?

Why do you keep bringing up people saying those WSs are bad to mean they are defending your position in some way? Break WSs sucking was never an issue; your terrible idea to try fixing them is what this thread is all about.

[kingfury]

@ TybudX:
Uhh... wha? Probably should just read the whole thing so you don't jumble up the conversation like that. I'm not sure how to respond to the 1st half other than try reading those post again.

Why would I want to fix them if they didn't suck?... /points to the thread topic way up there. The 1st line in the OP refers to how disappointing the ws's have always been to me, so if someone states that they also feel these ws's indeed are terrible... they are agreeing with me. ~.^

[TybudX]

You: Sometimes good players kill things slow because their mages suck.
wish12oz: No, you are better off killing quickly so there is less time/chances for things to go wrong
You: Some mobs can one shot you.

I read the whole thing, and several posts before and after it. I read them a couple times, which is usually the case with your posts. It's pretty straight forward, you tried to make a point that has no basis in reality, got shot down for it, and used a poor argument to back it up.

Agreeing with you that break WSs suck =/= agreeing with you that they should be changed. Nobody here is supporting your idea in the slightest.

[kingfury]

Just had a thought...

Another possibility:

-What if, after inflicting a set amount/percentage of a particular enfeeble at the point of striking a target with one of the 4 Break weaponskills, they then worked similar to how DNC's Steps function? For anyone that doesn't know about how Steps works:
-Steps are used to enfeeble an enemy, while at the same time generating the Finishing Moves required to perform Flourishes. The enfeebling effects produced by Steps can be stacked up to five times. The more times an effect is stacked, the more powerful it becomes.
Perhaps directly after you use a Break weaponskill, Armor Break for instance, the more you land successful melee hits on the target the more bolstered your melee damage would become. The ws would still cause some damage upon using it, but after inflicting the initial enfeebling effect, it would have a bolstering of stats effect so the concept of the enfeeble can become more apparent over time. It could still of course have a determined duration window of effect, but once it's effect duration has reached it's end and worn off the bolstered damage would also disappear. It could even have the "Defense down" effect animation added to each melee hit to the target similar to how most additional effect enfeebling weapons function. The same goes for the other corresponding ws's.

So then, Shield break once landed on a high evasion monster would see a percentage drop to it's evasion and improve Accuracy to the players over the course of the user successfully landing hits on the target. So this would bolster +Accuracy per successful melee hit to all party members within the area of effect.

[noodles355]

Agreeing with you that break WSs suck =/= agreeing with you that they should be changed.

I think kingfury is unable to comprehend this statement. I believe I've used the same argument with him in the past. Somehow he believe agreeing with his statement of the problem means you agree with his solution to the problem.

Because of course, it's impossible to agree with you that your opening statement of "Break WS suck" and yet disagree with your solution to fix this problem.

Hey kingfury. Theft is a problem in the United Kingdom. I believe to fix this problem everyone who steals should be immidiately killed without trial, what they stole is irrelevant, whether it's a candy bar or a car.

Theft is a problem in the United Kingdom, this is a fact. You will agree with this fact. So as you agree with that part of my post then surely you must agree with everything I wrote in this post and must also believe everyone who steals a candy bar should be killed?
No, of course you don't.

[Mirage]

War is the strongest DD in the damned game, we shouldn't get more buffs, not until other jobs that actually need them do. EOD.

[kingfury]

You: Sometimes good players kill things slow because their mages suck.
wish12oz: No, you are better off killing quickly so there is less time/chances for things to go wrong
You: Some mobs can one shot you.
I read the whole thing, and several posts before and after it. I read them a couple times, which is usually the case with your posts. It's pretty straight forward, you tried to make a point that has no basis in reality, got shot down for it, and used a poor argument to back it up.
Agreeing with you that break WSs suck =/= agreeing with you that they should be changed. Nobody here is supporting your idea in the slightest.

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@.@ people like you worry me.

I didn't say that agreeing with me that the ws's suck equated to them agreeing with the fact they needed to be altered... just that they agreed the ws's suck. Are you purposely trying to find ways to make me sound wrong in order to make yourself sound right? Because this sort of thing is just scary.

[kingfury]

@ Noodles:
lol why on earth are you guys still on this thread if all you are doing is trying to misconstrue and alter the things I say?! I'm beginning to think this has become some strange form of amusement for you @.@;

Constructive Suggestions and comments on the topic eh, or go poke sticks at another thread where someone can be mad with you lol /shoo now