[dev1010] Job Adjustments - VIT Adjustment and THF

[noodles355]

Dual Wield 1 (2?)? Worthless. (Kinda. Has Situations if Dual wield II)

FTR, thief got Dual Wield II. I'm not sure what level, 88-90. For some reason it was just never documented on wiki or anywhere else. God knows why.

Thief's biggest problem on NMs out of abyssea is not tanking or DD capabilities, it's enemy TP generation. Tanking isn't so difficult a thing. Magic damage is magic damage, thief can cap MDT with Shellra V and so takes the same MDT as everyone else. With mobs being closer to the same level (or lower level) than 90, tanking physical hits isn't as difficult as it used to be. DD is still weak, but the main reason thief's are told to tag with TH then gtfo is because a-hand/h2h jobs generate more enemy TP than a 2-hander. Pair this with thief being the only low-delay dual wield job without subtle blow and it's a problem.

[Karbuncle]

FTR, thief got Dual Wield II. I'm not sure what level, 88-90. For some reason it was just never documented on wiki or anywhere else. God knows why.

Thief's biggest problem on NMs out of abyssea is not tanking or DD capabilities, it's enemy TP generation. Tanking isn't so difficult a thing. Magic damage is magic damage, thief can cap MDT with Shellra V and so takes the same MDT as everyone else. With mobs being closer to the same level (or lower level) than 90, tanking physical hits isn't as difficult as it used to be. DD is still weak, but the main reason thief's are told to tag with TH then gtfo is because a-hand/h2h jobs generate more enemy TP than a 2-hander. Pair this with thief being the only low-delay dual wield job without subtle blow and it's a problem.

Yah, I know THF Got Dual Wield II, and ihave hopes of Dual Wield III by 99. I believe we should get some trait of Subtle blow, Even if its just up to SB IV.

And also yes, THF Does have a "DD" problem outside of Abyssea. Insides its Dandy, But outside they still fall behind largely in the DD department, not the worst, but they're far from best, its painful.

Plus, when new 95-99+ Out-side Abyssea content comes where mobs are meaningfully difficult, Theres a bigger problem i don't want to even think about... Especially if this VIT thing is a nerf.

[Swords]

Well I was not just being selective of job traits/abilities, go into ranges of gear and such THF MNK DNC and NIN got a big boost. I know RNG and some other jobs can use some of the same equipment, but only select pieces of said gear falls into RNG's area of expertise with ranged attacks.

[Karbuncle]

Well I was not just being selective of job traits/abilities, go into ranges of gear and such THF MNK DNC and NIN got a big boost. I know RNG and some other jobs can use some of the same equipment, but only select pieces of said gear falls into RNG's area of expertise with ranged attacks.

THF got some good gear, But so did RNG.

IN the end though, outside of Abyssea, I'd wager a RNG could out-DD a THF. THF really gets its bread and butter from Abyssea Atmas. Without them they're not that amazing. They'e okay DD, but their uses outside of Abyssea fall into "TH and gtfo", inside its "Tank, DD, TH and Gtfo" for a lot of groups/lowman.

While they can tank fine outside, They have about the DD capabilities of a potato, cause as a solo tank, They're unable to harness their best assets for out-side Abyssea-DD. SA, and TA. (TA to a lesser extent, You can still coax your mage to come into range for TA if the mob has no bad AoEs >.>)

[Eeek]

THF got some good gear, But so did RNG.

IN the end though, outside of Abyssea, I'd wager a RNG could out-DD a THF. THF really gets its bread and butter from Abyssea Atmas. Without them they're not that amazing. They'e okay DD, but their uses outside of Abyssea fall into "TH and gtfo", inside its "Tank, DD, TH and Gtfo" for a lot of groups/lowman.

While they can tank fine outside, They have about the DD capabilities of a potato, cause as a solo tank, They're unable to harness their best assets for out-side Abyssea-DD. SA, and TA. (TA to a lesser extent, You can still coax your mage to come into range for TA if the mob has no bad AoEs >.>)

I agree with this.

I'd also like to point out that our Empyrean Weaponskill is kinda meh in comparison to the powerful ones, and I personally don't find THF's AF3+2 set bonus all that amazing.

[Karbuncle]

Yah its really two options.

1) They say "Yah, It effects players and mobs, This is essentially a huge crit nerf".

or

2) This only effects players, Just like "Fencer" Job Trait. (note: Remember Fencer used to effect mobs? They removed it from mob Job Traits unless its charmed by a BST).


1) is going to cause a Shit-storm of spiraling hatred and nerf rants
2) Sigh of relief, and the faint sound of DRKs using soul-eater/wrists in the distance.

[Denabond]

Yah its really two options.

1) They say "Yah, It effects players and mobs, This is essentially a huge crit nerf".

or

2) This only effects players, Just like "Fencer" Job Trait. (note: Remember Fencer used to effect mobs? They removed it from mob Job Traits unless its charmed by a BST).


1) is going to cause a Shit-storm of spiraling hatred and nerf rants
2) Sigh of relief, and the faint sound of DRKs using soul-eater/wrists in the distance.

Last I cheaked, Drks have been useing soul-eater/wristing w/o even needing a reason.

[Atomic_Skull]

Remember the TP floor nerf? Every time MNK and NIN become so overpowered that SE has to get out the nerf bat THF gets caught in the crossfire.

[RaenRyong]

Screw that, I'd rather wipe my party >:3

[Jalonis]

People overplay how dangerous TP feed is in the vast majority of cases. The only mobs I can really think of off hand where TP feed makes them much harder are mobs that switch between physical/magical absorbs through TP ability use. Anything else, the minor added TP feed is counterbalanced by the duration of the fight being cut dramatically.