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    Player Tamoa's Avatar
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    I'm 99% certain it will work both ways. If not, it's a rather pointless adjustment.
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    Step 1: Add Critical Damage bonus trait to most jobs that use Critical weaponskills, but not Dragoon
    Step 2: Nerf critical damage.
    Step 3: lolDRG

    This is all a secret ploy to adjust Drakesbane indirectly.
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    At this point I'm almost certain it's a nerf but I can't understand the reasoning behind it. If the concern was the extreme unbalance in abyssea then simply adjust atmas would have fixed the problem. Outside of abyssea this could protentially ruin 1 handers since they rely on crits to make up for low base damage/attack/acc.
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    I don't know why you think it's going to apply both ways. Enemy adjustments would be explicitly stated, otherwise it should always be assumed they are only referring to the players. It'd be too considerable a change (it would affect everyone, not just THF) to conveniently leave a detail like that out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krisan View Post
    I don't know why you think it's going to apply both ways. Enemy adjustments would be explicitly stated, otherwise it should always be assumed they are only referring to the players. It'd be too considerable a change (it would affect everyone, not just THF) to conveniently leave a detail like that out.
    Its because a lot of people today are like "CRIT HIT OR GTFO", A lot of jobs are left out or under-powered cause of this inside Abyssea. Now all the sudden "VIT Effects Critical hit Damage taken", People assume the worse. until a Rep comes in here and says "yah this is a misunderstanding, It only effects players!" I think I'll assume Nerf-City.

    Its really hard to remain neutral when the pit of your gut tells you this is a nerf to Critical Hit-Heavy jobs/WS. But I'll try. I can really hope a Rep comes in here and tells us not to worry it only effects Players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karbuncle View Post
    Its because a lot of people today are like "CRIT HIT OR GTFO", A lot of jobs are left out or under-powered cause of this inside Abyssea. Now all the sudden "VIT Effects Critical hit Damage taken", People assume the worse. until a Rep comes in here and says "yah this is a misunderstanding, It only effects players!" I think I'll assume Nerf-City.

    Its really hard to remain neutral when the pit of your gut tells you this is a nerf to Critical Hit-Heavy jobs/WS. But I'll try. I can really hope a Rep comes in here and tells us not to worry it only effects Players.
    I just find it extremely unlikely that this is a global enemy-adjustment, something that affects the entire game, and they just simply chose not to include that in the notes. The way it is worded makes it seem that this is just a player-adjustment, but meh.. Resume panicking I guess?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krisan View Post
    I just find it extremely unlikely that this is a global enemy-adjustment, something that affects the entire game, and they just simply chose not to include that in the notes. The way it is worded makes it seem that this is just a player-adjustment, but meh.. Resume panicking I guess?
    I don't believe in Coincidences my good sir. In the day and age of "Crit or gtfo", we suddenly come across a adjustment that directly targets Critical Hit damage, left purposefully vague as to rather it effect player and Enemy, Or just Player.

    Its not really a Panic either, Its more of a "Worry". There is a chance this will severely impact my favorite job (THF), So i have the right to be worried?

    lets say your Favorite job is WAR, out of nowhere they said "To provide Balance, We're looking into ways to adjust Ukko's Fury, Raging rush, and WAR job Abilities" Would you be like "Fuck yeah! WAR BUFF!" or would you be more like "Oh, This doesn't sound good..."

    Its typical for people to be a little worried, as long as they don't go around waving "ITS THE FU*KING WARPOCALYPSE, SELL YOUR RELIC WAR ACCOUNTS, TOSS YOUR UKONVASARAS!!! THE END IS HERE"

    Theres a difference between hysteria-panic and "Worry". I'm in the "Worry" stage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karbuncle View Post
    I don't believe in Coincidences my good sir. In the day and age of "Crit or gtfo", we suddenly come across a adjustment that directly targets Critical Hit damage, left purposefully vague as to rather it effect player and Enemy, Or just Player.

    Its not really a Panic either, Its more of a "Worry". There is a chance this will severely impact my favorite job (THF), So i have the right to be worried?

    lets say your Favorite job is WAR, out of nowhere they said "To provide Balance, We're looking into ways to adjust Ukko's Fury, Raging rush, and WAR job Abilities" Would you be like "Fuck yeah! WAR BUFF!" or would you be more like "Oh, This doesn't sound good..."

    Its typical for people to be a little worried, as long as they don't go around waving "ITS THE FU*KING WARPOCALYPSE, SELL YOUR RELIC WAR ACCOUNTS, TOSS YOUR UKONVASARAS!!! THE END IS HERE"

    Theres a difference between hysteria-panic and "Worry". I'm in the "Worry" stage.
    Well, it's not unwarranted to ask for clarity, certainly. But I just don't know. I'd honestly lose a bit of respect for SE if this is a global adjustment and they can't be half-assed enough to make that perfectly clear. And yea, I know WHY this would be bad if it is a global-adjustment, and the worry is merited there certainly.. But at the moment I'm relying on the notes for what they say - not what they don't say.
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    I would hate to be the community rep that replies to this one.

    Either they tell us what it will entail and the forums fill with rage, they lie or underplay it and lose any respect the forum has with the playerbase after the update or they simply try to ignore it.

    My guess is we will get a really vague response and none after lol
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    Considering the amount of players absolutely SCREAMING across several forums about their non-crit ws jobs being left behind and being outdamaged by a thf or a nin, I'd say it's extremely likely that this is indeed a crit nerf. But at this point it's all speculation and I'm not going to get upset about it until we get more information or we find out for ourselves after the update.

    However I would also appreciate it if a Rep would be so kind and give us a little more specific info about this adjustment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpankWustler
    In the FFXI universe, the down of Phoenix is so fine that it quickly broke down into a sort of dust. Smaller than dust, actually. A barely visible particle.

    This down was carried by the winds of Vana'diel. Some people breathed it in and contracted Phoenix Downs Syndrome. Some of those people post on this very board.

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