[dev1010] Job Adjustments - VIT Adjustment and THF

[Dallas]

Seems pretty obvious it is an atma nerf. I'm a little disappointed, since blood pacts were also benefitting from crit damage.

[Runespider]

Seems pretty obvious it is an atma nerf. I'm a little disappointed, since blood pacts were also benefitting from crit damage.

I think we all knew it was coming, a well geared thf, mnk or nin with 3 atmas including RR/GH/apoc etc can kill a mob quicker than a whole alliance on XP mobs and on NMs they do so much damage they can tank and keep hate over a spamming healer, a huge part of this is down to crit damage. It's always been the case that if you're having too much fun on a DD job it won't last forever.

[Khajit]

I think we all knew it was coming, a semi decently geared player with half a brain with 3 atmas including RR/GH/apoc etc can kill a mob quicker than a whole alliance on XP mobs and on NMs.

Fixed for you.

[Swords]

IF such a thing does affect the jobs that much, I imagine what happened with RNG after the RA adjustment would happen with those jobs. Everyone will go onto the next bandwagon job while the people who took the job seriously and the really good ones will stay.

[Denabond]

If this works both ways (as in it applies to mobs and players) then yes its basically a direct nerf to mnk,thf, and nin. As well as all the Crit hit WSs. To me, that seems fine as currently all jobs (with RR) that have a crit WS can do an absurd amount of damage. This might even out the DDs a bit, since jobs like drk and sam have been left out due to their lack of a crit WS (although i have no sympathy to the bandwagon Sams after having them rule the DDs with the 2handed weapon update). Pointless to point out, but this will also even out the damage difference between the Relic mnk + nin weapons and the Emp weapons. Of course, this is assuming this applies to mobs.

[Eeek]

If this works both ways (as in it applies to mobs and players) then yes its basically a direct nerf to mnk,thf, and nin. As well as all the Crit hit WSs. To me, that seems fine as currently all jobs (with RR) that have a crit WS can do an absurd amount of damage. This might even out the DDs a bit, since jobs like drk and sam have been left out due to their lack of a crit WS (although i have no sympathy to the bandwagon Sams after having them rule the DDs with the 2handed weapon update). Pointless to point out, but this will also even out the damage difference between the Relic mnk + nin weapons and the Emp weapons. Of course, this is assuming this applies to mobs.

Why is this fine?

While Abyssea is currently the post popular content, the vast majority of the game's zones, content, and (likely) future content are outside of Abyssea's 9 main zones.

Since the 2007 update to 2-handed weapons, 1-handed DDs like THF, DNC, NIN, and so on have been forcibly shoved aside in favor of jobs like SAM and WAR. Abyssea allowed the 1-handed DDs a chance to shine in Abyssea, and apparently it's big problem for such jobs to leave town and have a chance to shine, prove useful, and have fun.

No, instead we're likely to see a nerf. And this nerf applies everywhere. It's now possible that jobs like THF, NIN, and DNC will leave Abyssea weaker than ever before.

[Denabond]

Why is this fine?

While Abyssea is currently the post popular content, the vast majority of the game's zones, content, and (likely) future content are outside of Abyssea's 9 main zones.

Since the 2007 update to 2-handed weapons, 1-handed DDs like THF, DNC, NIN, and so on have been forcibly shoved aside in favor of jobs like SAM and WAR. Abyssea allowed the 1-handed DDs a chance to shine in Abyssea, and apparently it's big problem for such jobs to leave town and have a chance to shine, prove useful, and have fun.

No, instead we're likely to see a nerf. And this nerf applies everywhere. It's now possible that jobs like THF, NIN, and DNC will leave Abyssea weaker than ever before.

Chance to shine is one thing, but beating out the 2handed weapon users on both DOT (cause we attack faster) + having our WSs beat thier WS damage isn't just outshining them, its trampling all over them. Does it make sense for a Dnc (who is a hybrid dd/healer) to out DD a Drk(who is a full on DD)? Should a nin (who is considered before as a tank by the playerbase) out DD a Sam? I will say however the only real job that can really complain would be thfs, due to their reliance on crit damage (well maybe Drgs too due to Drakesbane being a crit WS too).

[Karbuncle]

Chance to shine is one thing, but beating out the 2handed weapon users on both DOT (cause we attack faster) + having our WSs beat thier WS damage isn't just outshining them, its trampling all over them. Does it make sense for a Dnc (who is a hybrid dd/healer) to out DD a Drk(who is a full on DD)? Should a nin (who is considered before as a tank by the playerbase) out DD a Sam? I will say however the only real job that can really complain would be thfs, due to their reliance on crit damage (well maybe Drgs too due to Drakesbane being a crit WS too).

Yeah, Your point aside, The option is never ever to Nerf something hard-core everywhere.

If this does apply both ways, THF just became more useless outside Abyssea. cause now SA and TA will likely see severe damage nerfs, so THF's, who already did rather mediocre damage outside abyssea without the help of a Relic/Emp, Will now do even worse numbers on anything meaningful.

You remember back in the day when it was "Touch the mob, go sit in corner?" its cause THF's damage was terrible, Nerfing their biggest DD aspect (SA-WS, TA-WS) is probably an un-thought-out side effect of SE's "Cure the disease by killing the patience" mentality when it comes to small things like this.




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However, If it doesn't effect Mobs, Or the effect is really small, My entire rant doesn't hold water. So i'll wait til the update rolls around to see just how badly it effects us all. For all we know every ~10vit could gain 1%PDT on Critical hits... Then what... yah D:

[Denabond]

Yeah, Your point aside, The option is never ever to Nerf something hard-core everywhere.

If this does apply both ways, THF just became more useless outside Abyssea. cause now SA and TA will likely see severe damage nerfs, so THF's, who already did rather mediocre damage outside abyssea without the help of a Relic/Emp, Will now do even worse numbers on anything meaningful.

You remember back in the day when it was "Touch the mob, go sit in corner?" its cause THF's damage was terrible, Nerfing their biggest DD aspect (SA-WS, TA-WS) is probably an un-thought-out side effect of SE's "Cure the disease by killing the patience" mentality when it comes to small things like this.




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However, If it doesn't effect Mobs, Or the effect is really small, My entire rant doesn't hold water. So i'll wait til the update rolls around to see just how badly it effects us all. For all we know every ~10vit could gain 1%PDT on Critical hits... Then what... yah D:

Or they can make it so SA and TA ignores the vit deal. Though I'm not counting on SE to do that.

[Catsby]

Any damage dealer reliant on critical hits is going to be impacted by this change if it works for both players and monsters.