[dev1010] Job Adjustments

[Catsby]

Atmas are too strong. What's the point of a support job when you can just plug support atmas into your healer.
Bosses are too poorly designed. What's the point of a support job when you can just brew a strong monster down.

[Duelle]

Sigh. I figured people would eventually drop the RDM thing, but I see that is not the case.

Atmas are too strong. What's the point of a support job when you can just plug support atmas into your healer.

Trying to make "support" the whole point of a job is not and has never been a good idea. This is why design in general eventually moved away from needing classes to specifically act as mezzers (and refresh bots in the case of FFXI) and in turn do what you just mentioned: baking certain aspects into existing roles. Being the guy that's there to only interrupt, or only sleep, or only stun, or only para/slow in the case of RDM isn't much. To those of us that know the class for its various aspects, it's certainly a downer to see only one shine through and the rest tossed to the gutter.

I do notice that nobody bothered to address my question either, funny how pointing bloody fingers can backfire on you sometimes. What would you have them remove from RDM to get what you want? And yes I said "remove" because RDM is extremely powerful, even if this has been dimished somewhet by Abyss.

So you forgot my response to your question:

I'd say RDM would need a mechanic through which to shift resources and stats. Good melee, decent & reliable enfeebling, below-average support. Good support, decent & reliable healing, below-average melee. Nuking can be made to fit somewhere in there, prefferably with 3-5 yalm range for nukes while in melee mode, but either shorter cast times or instant casts on a 1-minute cooldown. That way, you can't do everything at once on RDM by cluttering your inventory with gear.

Bolded for emphasis. A nerf to switching roles on the fly, but maintaining access to a reasonable level of versatility while on the field (I'm open to discussion on what would be considered reasonable). And yes, that's a huge part of the class as is to remove while keeping the current curebot role. The bonus comes in making a second role available and relevant outside of soloing. It's a win-win.

[blowfin]

Bolded for emphasis. A nerf to switching roles on the fly, but maintaining access to a reasonable level of versatility while on the field (I'm open to discussion on what would be considered reasonable). And yes, that's a huge part of the class as is to remove while keeping the current curebot role. The bonus comes in making a second role available and relevant outside of soloing. It's a win-win.

I do see what you're getting at actually. Maybe a JA where RDM sacrifices MAB and macc for more melee skill? Or something to that effect. Not that I can see it happening, but I do understand the idea.