PUPdate is a fail ;_;

[Ahtos]

mhhh just no lol

Pups: we want AI fixed. We want new usefull attachment! we want new automaton ws that doesnt have crappy trigger!
SE: here you go: new situational attachment and new ws with who know which trigger.

not a word about ai fix
not a word about changing how to trigger a ws

sure we have to wait to see what man. trigger the ws, depending on that they could be total win or just like its now (with better ws)

things is, WE know what we wants and how to make pup a better job. SE just doesnt.
We had to wait how many years for somethings like DEA? while the pup community asked for something similar since the beginnings.

i play pup since day 1 and you cant really understand (pup 38 right?) what it was like in the old days with a C skill and a paper pup on a 20min timer lol

You isn´t the whole pup player base. Cuz you don´t like it dosn´t mean every one don´t like the update(s). Ppl always QQ dosn´t matter what we get. The puppet AI is a little weird sometimes, makes this pup unplayable ? No. Maybe SE fix this in the future, maybe never, personally i don´t care cuz i know how to play pup with this issue.
If you don´t like it don´t play pup just simple and don´t blame SE cuz you never get what you want.
Pups want new ws, now we got the ws, ppl QQ again cuz they want other ws, if they get those ws they will QQ again.
Pups want new attachments, we got a few but wtf SE i don´t want this attachments, i want attachments that makes my puppet invincibel and every attack does 9999 dmg. QQ
Maybe its time to nerv pup a bit so ppl know what they had b4. God i know why i hate ppl.

[xbobx]

Ahtons, when SE admits the AI is a bug, and doesnt fix it for 4 years, Pups have ever right to be pissed when they ignore the issue. I bet many pups would be content if all we got was AI fix in this patch.

[Dfoley]

You isn´t the whole pup player base. Cuz you don´t like it dosn´t mean every one don´t like the update(s). Ppl always QQ dosn´t matter what we get. The puppet AI is a little weird sometimes, makes this pup unplayable ? No. Maybe SE fix this in the future, maybe never, personally i don´t care cuz i know how to play pup with this issue.If you don´t like it don´t play pup just simple and don´t blame SE cuz you never get what you want.
Pups want new ws, now we got the ws, ppl QQ again cuz they want other ws, if they get those ws they will QQ again.
Pups want new attachments, we got a few but wtf SE i don´t want this attachments, i want attachments that makes my puppet invincibel and every attack does 9999 dmg. QQ
Maybe its time to nerv pup a bit so ppl know what they had b4. God i know why i hate ppl.

What terrible advice from an obvious troll.

The AI blows and needs to be fixed, you shouldnt have to work with an issue like this. Its not terrible no, but it could be 1000% better (see the npc fellows).

[Ahtos]

I never said the AI is ok. Sure it need to be fixed but what should i do instead ? Sitting in a corner and QQ cuz SE don´t wanna fix it this or next time ? My post wasn´t about the AI, it was generally about those never-happy-ppl, doesn´t matter what they get.
SMN wanted new avatars, how many years did this take till they got 2 new avatars ? Just read what SE said in the past what they wanna do and it almost never happend yet (well maybe its a little faster now since they listen more to the players after the "FFXIV disaster").
Other issues and updates got a higher priority than others. FFXI is a 9 years old game and SE don´t put every single man and woman into this game just to fix and update FFXI. It doesn´t matter if they know the issues or not if they don´t have the resources to fix everything @ the same time.

[Bhujerba]

mhhh just no lol

Pups: we want AI fixed. We want new usefull attachment! we want new automaton ws that doesnt have crappy trigger!
SE: here you go: new situational attachment and new ws with who know which trigger.

not a word about ai fix
not a word about changing how to trigger a ws

sure we have to wait to see what man. trigger the ws, depending on that they could be total win or just like its now (with better ws)

things is, WE know what we wants and how to make pup a better job. SE just doesnt.
We had to wait how many years for somethings like DEA? while the pup community asked for something similar since the beginnings.

i play pup since day 1 and you cant really understand (pup 38 right?) what it was like in the old days with a C skill and a paper pup on a 20min timer lol

I agree.
since we dont know how good/bad these new toys are, we better point out possible flaws now before they released them, if they made them actually good ( good = warranting using them over what we already have, not just any good or side-grades) then no problem here, but if they made them bad and they see the potential weakness from our complains they may have time to change them a little or buffed them before release, otherwise you have to wait good few months if not years for a fix.

also if this is their answer to fix one of the AI issues by implementing "less-MP-usage-before-Aspir-kicks-in-attachment" then this is not good, fixing AI issues with new attachments is bad idea, what next "100% Cure-over-na-attachment" !?!

in the end, for me I really don't expect anything from this company (never have actually lol), I just take it as they come...( Deus Ex Automata was nice surprise, in fact its even better than what we suggested by lowering activate timer to 10 mins) plus someone mentioned that AI fixes that was done before weren't mentioned in version update, so there is still hope for "you" .

[Dohati]

i wasn't thrilled with any of the new attachments, but i thought we were fine on attachments anyway. i might use the ice one for whm because i have a bunch of extra ice slots left and i have many attachments for whm i can do without. the ice attachment hopefully will help balance out how badly whm overcures. (with a light/ice/dark maneuver setup of course) wouldnt hurt to have an ice up since it could also enhance mana booster and tranquilizer for enfeebles. i'm hoping the new weaponskills dont screw us up though. if they take priority and do crappy dmg, thats going to be a pain. hopefully they'll be good and use a maneuver we'd use for the respective puppets anyway. ...although... SE rly does need to give us a way to adjust automatons' weaponskill priorities and which WS is tied to which maneuver. light maneuver triggering cannibal blade (or maybe earth) would be so hawt.

[Gotterdammerung]

Unless SE decides it's necessary to allow more attachment slots on the frames or increase the number of elements each frame may allocate---we'll have to make some sacrifices. I personally have no problem with that. If someone can explain why you feel it's necessary to have everything you had before in addition to what has been added... that doesn't make sense to me.

Even now you must make sacrifices to equip our automatons'; not enough ice maneuvers, ok... remove something and add something else to compensate for the loss. The addition of these new attachments is really no different than anything else we already have to do... we make sacrifices in order to equip our automatons...

What this really boils down to is... Player A has gotten "use" to using his/her automaton a specific way... albeit, mage frame, ranger frame or other... Player A gets new attachments to play with from SE... Player A is "SHOCKED" that the new attachments means, he/she can't attach his/her favorite well used attachments... so Player A is confused as to how Player A can incorporate the new attachments AND keep his/her favorite well used attachments in play... OH BUT SHOCK... Player A can't keep all of the attachments Player A is use to keeping because Player A's automaton doesn't have enough slots... so, Player A grumbles and spits fire in frustration that SE delivers such "Trash"... Player A is upset because Player A doesn't want to go back to the basics of assembling his/her automaton again... Player A considers it too much work...

Adjusting is never easy...get over it. As you learned many, many levels ago to work with what we're given and MAKE IT WORK... you'll do the same with this new combination... that's all it is, additional attachments to be "COMBINED" with our automaton to create a new way to play. Experiment and have fun doing it.... don't knock it until it's implemented... try to stop passing such negative judgment prior to implementation.

im confused. why did u feel the need to delineate "player A" if there is no player B,C,D, ect in your example O.,o?

Anyway, on topic. I don't think people are having problems adjusting. It seems to me they are just examining the true worth of the new options and finding them mostly lacking.

[Lushipur]

oh, reading xiozen reply i remember now to whine because SE is not talking about storing more than 1 frame/attach combination ;_;

[Dfoley]

im confused. why did u feel the need to delineate "player A" if there is no player B,C,D, ect in your example O.,o?

Anyway, on topic. I don't think people are having problems adjusting. It seems to me they are just examining the true worth of the new options and finding them mostly lacking.

PLayer B didnt know how to play his job
Player C didnt have the optimal attachmetns player A had so the new attachments are actually upgrades
Player D Prefered to solo outside of abyssea and never knew what he was missing.

Think that covers most of xiozens bad example...

[Bhujerba]

im confused. why did u feel the need to delineate "player A" if there is no player B,C,D, ect in your example O.,o?

LOL I just read his post xD

Player C didnt have the optimal attachmetns player A had so the new attachments are actually upgrades

or we can make All players from A to Z happy by introducing new Attachments that even OUTSHINE what we have , how about that for an upgrade? (to xio and whoever still think of side-grades is teh shit!!1!)

Even now you must make sacrifices to equip our automatons

Sacrifices... why is it perfectly fine for a Monk or Warrior or the rest of the overpowered jobs that hardly sacrifice ANYTHING but when it comes to pup or pet job in general, oh we HAVE TO SACRIFICE GUYS! we cant have our cake and eat it like the rest of the jobs!

this is a call to the rest of PUP community and beyond..., GET RID OF THE SACRIFICING MENTALITY, so we can suggest things better, is it really fair for the other jobs to be extremely powerful and useful without them sacrificing anything to reach that, but its ok (and a MUST) for us to be lower in power and usefulness with lots of sacrifices? THE HELL WITH THAT