PUPdate is a fail ;_;

[Frapp]

Not true at all sorry, if your using a blm pet and arent using specific attachments (icemaker, loud speaker 1 and loud speaker 2) you aren't doing it right. If you dont have one of them fine, but there is really only 1 set of ice attachments you should be going for. Sure there is more variability with melee frames, but there are still certain attachments you will always want.

Blindly following one method is doing it wrong. Knowing what you're fighting, who you're fighting it with, and reading the ebb and flow of battle is how you truly command and work with the Automaton.

For example, there have been plenty of times where hate control was an issue, and using a fully powered Ice Maker'd nuke would have thrown the whole fight out of whack - such as taking aggro, bringing the monsters over to the mages where I parked the Automaton, and causing deaths. Using Mana Booster + Loudspeaker I & II allowed me to let the Automaton nuke away more often and safely under the hate threshold.

[Xilk]

Recap:

Pups: We want the AI fixed. We want new attachments!, we want new automaton WS's!
SE: here you go: New attachments and new Ws's!
1/2 pups: THIS SUX!! SE NEVER GONNA FIX THE AI!! THIS ISN'T WANT WE WANTED!!

There are some meaningful looks at the changes also, but WAY too much whining imo.

I'm not much of a pup though, only level 38, but decently geared for all that. I do like the job. probably 3rd on my list.

[Lushipur]

Recap:

Pups: We want the AI fixed. We want new attachments!, we want new automaton WS's!
SE: here you go: New attachments and new Ws's!
1/2 pups: THIS SUX!! SE NEVER GONNA FIX THE AI!! THIS ISN'T WANT WE WANTED!!

There are some meaningful looks at the changes also, but WAY too much whining imo.

I'm not much of a pup though, only level 38, but decently geared for all that. I do like the job. probably 3rd on my list.

mhhh just no lol

Pups: we want AI fixed. We want new usefull attachment! we want new automaton ws that doesnt have crappy trigger!
SE: here you go: new situational attachment and new ws with who know which trigger.

not a word about ai fix
not a word about changing how to trigger a ws

sure we have to wait to see what man. trigger the ws, depending on that they could be total win or just like its now (with better ws)

things is, WE know what we wants and how to make pup a better job. SE just doesnt.
We had to wait how many years for somethings like DEA? while the pup community asked for something similar since the beginnings.

i play pup since day 1 and you cant really understand (pup 38 right?) what it was like in the old days with a C skill and a paper pup on a 20min timer lol

[Ahtos]

mhhh just no lol

Pups: we want AI fixed. We want new usefull attachment! we want new automaton ws that doesnt have crappy trigger!
SE: here you go: new situational attachment and new ws with who know which trigger.

not a word about ai fix
not a word about changing how to trigger a ws

sure we have to wait to see what man. trigger the ws, depending on that they could be total win or just like its now (with better ws)

things is, WE know what we wants and how to make pup a better job. SE just doesnt.
We had to wait how many years for somethings like DEA? while the pup community asked for something similar since the beginnings.

i play pup since day 1 and you cant really understand (pup 38 right?) what it was like in the old days with a C skill and a paper pup on a 20min timer lol

You isn´t the whole pup player base. Cuz you don´t like it dosn´t mean every one don´t like the update(s). Ppl always QQ dosn´t matter what we get. The puppet AI is a little weird sometimes, makes this pup unplayable ? No. Maybe SE fix this in the future, maybe never, personally i don´t care cuz i know how to play pup with this issue.
If you don´t like it don´t play pup just simple and don´t blame SE cuz you never get what you want.
Pups want new ws, now we got the ws, ppl QQ again cuz they want other ws, if they get those ws they will QQ again.
Pups want new attachments, we got a few but wtf SE i don´t want this attachments, i want attachments that makes my puppet invincibel and every attack does 9999 dmg. QQ
Maybe its time to nerv pup a bit so ppl know what they had b4. God i know why i hate ppl.

[Dfoley]

You isn´t the whole pup player base. Cuz you don´t like it dosn´t mean every one don´t like the update(s). Ppl always QQ dosn´t matter what we get. The puppet AI is a little weird sometimes, makes this pup unplayable ? No. Maybe SE fix this in the future, maybe never, personally i don´t care cuz i know how to play pup with this issue.If you don´t like it don´t play pup just simple and don´t blame SE cuz you never get what you want.
Pups want new ws, now we got the ws, ppl QQ again cuz they want other ws, if they get those ws they will QQ again.
Pups want new attachments, we got a few but wtf SE i don´t want this attachments, i want attachments that makes my puppet invincibel and every attack does 9999 dmg. QQ
Maybe its time to nerv pup a bit so ppl know what they had b4. God i know why i hate ppl.

What terrible advice from an obvious troll.

The AI blows and needs to be fixed, you shouldnt have to work with an issue like this. Its not terrible no, but it could be 1000% better (see the npc fellows).

[Bhujerba]

mhhh just no lol

Pups: we want AI fixed. We want new usefull attachment! we want new automaton ws that doesnt have crappy trigger!
SE: here you go: new situational attachment and new ws with who know which trigger.

not a word about ai fix
not a word about changing how to trigger a ws

sure we have to wait to see what man. trigger the ws, depending on that they could be total win or just like its now (with better ws)

things is, WE know what we wants and how to make pup a better job. SE just doesnt.
We had to wait how many years for somethings like DEA? while the pup community asked for something similar since the beginnings.

i play pup since day 1 and you cant really understand (pup 38 right?) what it was like in the old days with a C skill and a paper pup on a 20min timer lol

I agree.
since we dont know how good/bad these new toys are, we better point out possible flaws now before they released them, if they made them actually good ( good = warranting using them over what we already have, not just any good or side-grades) then no problem here, but if they made them bad and they see the potential weakness from our complains they may have time to change them a little or buffed them before release, otherwise you have to wait good few months if not years for a fix.

also if this is their answer to fix one of the AI issues by implementing "less-MP-usage-before-Aspir-kicks-in-attachment" then this is not good, fixing AI issues with new attachments is bad idea, what next "100% Cure-over-na-attachment" !?!

in the end, for me I really don't expect anything from this company (never have actually lol), I just take it as they come...( Deus Ex Automata was nice surprise, in fact its even better than what we suggested by lowering activate timer to 10 mins) plus someone mentioned that AI fixes that was done before weren't mentioned in version update, so there is still hope for "you" .

[xbobx]

Ahtons, when SE admits the AI is a bug, and doesnt fix it for 4 years, Pups have ever right to be pissed when they ignore the issue. I bet many pups would be content if all we got was AI fix in this patch.

[Ahtos]

I never said the AI is ok. Sure it need to be fixed but what should i do instead ? Sitting in a corner and QQ cuz SE don´t wanna fix it this or next time ? My post wasn´t about the AI, it was generally about those never-happy-ppl, doesn´t matter what they get.
SMN wanted new avatars, how many years did this take till they got 2 new avatars ? Just read what SE said in the past what they wanna do and it almost never happend yet (well maybe its a little faster now since they listen more to the players after the "FFXIV disaster").
Other issues and updates got a higher priority than others. FFXI is a 9 years old game and SE don´t put every single man and woman into this game just to fix and update FFXI. It doesn´t matter if they know the issues or not if they don´t have the resources to fix everything @ the same time.

[Dohati]

i wasn't thrilled with any of the new attachments, but i thought we were fine on attachments anyway. i might use the ice one for whm because i have a bunch of extra ice slots left and i have many attachments for whm i can do without. the ice attachment hopefully will help balance out how badly whm overcures. (with a light/ice/dark maneuver setup of course) wouldnt hurt to have an ice up since it could also enhance mana booster and tranquilizer for enfeebles. i'm hoping the new weaponskills dont screw us up though. if they take priority and do crappy dmg, thats going to be a pain. hopefully they'll be good and use a maneuver we'd use for the respective puppets anyway. ...although... SE rly does need to give us a way to adjust automatons' weaponskill priorities and which WS is tied to which maneuver. light maneuver triggering cannibal blade (or maybe earth) would be so hawt.

[Lushipur]

oh, reading xiozen reply i remember now to whine because SE is not talking about storing more than 1 frame/attach combination ;_;