FFXI REMASTERED! Do eeeet!

[Alhanelem]

You're now mad. You are well aware that I was saying XI has more players than XIV on steam.

Yes. And I proved you wrong by showing you both games' steam numbers. And then you proceeded to change the goal posts, as # of characters != # of players. FFXIAH is showing you all the characters it has ever seen created. Those aren't all active players. And while you can add up all the people who did something on the AH and get a reasonable idea of the people playing, that's an entirely different number than what Steam is giving you- that's total players, not concurrent players. Steam only gives concurrent players- which needs to be multiplied several times over to get any semblance of an idea of how many total active players there are, as most people aren't logged in 24 7.

And again: Most players on FFXIV are not on steam. The numbers I gave you are ONLY steam users, and only concurrent users. This doesn't include non-steam PC players, Mac players (okay not many of those), and PS4 and PS5 players.

You can not compare total users to concurrent users.

If they didn't need XI to boost player numbers, they would state them separate on financial reports.

Your logic is flawed. Both games operate under one business unit. There is no reason to state them seperately on financial reports. Your accusations of number fudging are ridiculous.

Also it bears mentioning that in measuring AH transactions in particular, you're including tons of RMT bots, who make new characters EVERY DAY, which inflates those numbers over the period which FFXIAH says constitutes "active." These users can only ever be counted once at a time in concurrent user numbers.

DISCLAIMER: This doesn't mean FFXIV doesn't have bots, because it does. I"m merely pointing out how FFXIAH's method of calcualtion can count the same player multiple times.