FFXI REMASTERED! Do eeeet!

[Alhanelem]

I know what you're trying to do, you're trying to "prove" that I "idolize" FFXIV by provoking me to argue about it.

But I apparently need to make one thing clear: I post on this forum because I play FFXI and I care about the game. I'm not an FFXIV worshipper, if anything, I'm just a sucker for people who make false and disingenuous statements. I'm not going to pretend that FFXIV isn't successful when it has been- the idea that they need to add numbers from FFXI to make FFXIV's numbers look better is ridiculous. The size of FFXIV's population is plain from the servers being full all the time and them needing to bend over backwards during a chip shortage to buy new server machines to increase capacity. FFXIV's success was being limited by their inability to expand the servers in a timely fashion.

My logic isn't flawed at all you're just outraged, when you cool down you'll be fine. Give it a an hour or so and you'll stop hyper ventilating.

Your logic is flawed. You've proven as well that your only purpose here is to bait me.

Okay, the way I phrased that was a bit mean. So I made it a little nicer. One day you'll make it past the denial phase.

I mean, you claimed FFXI had more players than FFXIV did on steam.
FFXI has 5 concurrent users on steam.
FFXIV has 22k.
that is /thread. You then changed the goal posts and compared concurrent users on steam to "active users based on FFXIAH auction history." Two different and uncomparable numbers.

Take your own advice and stop being mad that FFXIV was a bigger success.

[Pixela]

The point I made was simply that XI boosts XIV player numbers and profits (which is 100% does), it has a sizeable playerbase comparable to games like EVE, Everquest, New World and many other medium sized mmorpgs. The only difference is that every XI player pays money, there are no free players here. The money it brings in is very substantial in this genre and any mmorpg would want to add it to their main product as a booster.

I'm not saying XIV isn't a successful game, I'm just saying it's not as successful as they wish it was and XI helps them appear bigger than they actually are.

They want to keep 11 running for a reason, and that reason is XIV.

Nothing you say about XI player numbers of whatever hurts my feelings at all and is meaningless, because I know what XI is. However I know any swipe at the size of your XIVmanhood cuts deep to your soul, because you are emotionally attached to the fictional PR storytime of what XIV is.

You have absorbed the fairlytale success story of XIV into your being to such a degree that saying it doesn't have millions of players is an personal attack on you as a person. Which is sad.

[Alhanelem]

They want to keep 11 running for a reason, and that reason is XIV.

Seriously man, just stop, and take your own advice. You're taking your FFXIV hate to a whole new level. You don't have to like it, I really don't have a problem with you not liking it. But stop making up all kinds of BS to justify why you hate it and why everyone else should too.

[Pixela]

The point I was making is that FFXI player accounts make up a significant addition to FFXIV's overall player numbers and profits for PR and financial presentations, there is no argument here. This is a fact, this would be like Blizzard buying Eve Online and secretly adding their players numbers and profits to wow and saying it wouldn't matter. Of course it would, there will always be a benefit in this kind of tactic.

I made the comparison to Steam and indeed PS4 because I knew they were comparable and I knew your pride would force you to say one doesn't actually matter to "XIV" as an entity and not say the same about the other two (aka if XI doesn't matter to the total then neither does steam).

It also helped XIV claim the PR award of being "the most profitable FF title" much sooner because they stopped counting XI profits when ARR launched and they forced us all to be merged with XIV account systems (if you check the places that calculate these things, you will see they magically stopped counting XI revenue when they stopped appearing on financial reports after ARR...cause they merged XI profits into XIV). This is like going into a race and taking the leader, and forcing him to move behind the runner up and push him so he can win and then shouting how amazing it is the runner up won gold.

Again I'm not saying XIV does not have more players than XI, I'm not saying XIV isn't successful and I'm also fully aware that being useful to XIV is a benefit to us. What I'm saying is XIV wants and needs XI players numbers to add to its own for PR and financial report reasons and they would not want to lose all steam players or all XI players equally.

If you can't accept XIV operations value XI for numerous financial and pr reasons, you're purely arguing form a position of fanboy pride.

Since you play both and are fully aware XI and XIV have been merged I'm not sure why you're even arguing at all.

[Alhanelem]

The point I was making is that FFXI player accounts make up a significant addition to FFXIV's

I know this, and I still fundamentally disagree. You're comparing the entire game to one segment of the other game's population.

FFXIV doesn't "need" its numbers padded by any other game, be it FFXI or anything else. Finanical reports not seperating this information has no meaning whatsoever. (You still haven't linked these financial reports). You are implying a relationship and meaning that quite frankly I don't agree exists.

[Pixela]

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[Sp1cyryan]

So about the topic at hand...

[Dihlyte]

I would love if FFXI was remastered (not remade) with the exact same mechanics and similar minimalist UI.

The only things I would like to see changed for FFXI is the camera, hotbars (or lack-thereof) and graphics. Keep everything else exactly the same. I mean there is a reason we play FFXI instead of FFXIV, and its not because we're poor, or have outdated PC's, its because we enjoy the immersive, expansive, and extremely deep gameplay! At least that is why I play XI now.

If FFXI looked and played like say FFXIV 1.23b in terms of the graphics/hotbars but with the FFXIV 2.0-6.0 Camera control system (not the angles, just how fluid it moves) and everything else like FFXI now, I personally feel it would make so much more money!

I think it might even go toe to toe with FFXIV. There is a large playerbase out there who love traditional true RPG gameplay, that are floating from MMO to MMO, not quite satisfied, and I think if XI got a graphics and controls update, it would do amazing to capture that audience!

[Alhanelem]

I would love if FFXI was remastered (not remade) with the exact same mechanics and similar minimalist UI.

The only things I would like to see changed for FFXI is the camera, hotbars (or lack-thereof) and graphics. Keep everything else exactly the same. I mean there is a reason we play FFXI instead of FFXIV, and its not because we're poor, or have outdated PC's, its because we enjoy the immersive, expansive, and extremely deep gameplay! At least that is why I play XI now.

If FFXI looked and played like say FFXIV 1.23b in terms of the graphics/hotbars but with the FFXIV 2.0-6.0 Camera control system (not the angles, just how fluid it moves) and everything else like FFXI now, I personally feel it would make so much more money!

I think it might even go toe to toe with FFXIV. There is a large playerbase out there who love traditional true RPG gameplay, that are floating from MMO to MMO, not quite satisfied, and I think if XI got a graphics and controls update, it would do amazing to capture that audience!

FFXI's interface isn't minimalist, it was just designed for a much lower resolution than most of us are playing at today.

However, I agree about the mouse control. FFXI's mouse controls are just utter garbage, the mouse is essentially useless in this game even though it supports it. The camera control is indirect- it's really just pressing the IJKL keys depending on how you move the mouse.

The other big thing I think needs to be iimproved for the game to resonate with people today is for the game to be more responsive. Get rid of or reduce animation locks throughout the game. Yes, it would affect gameplay, but I think anybody would be hard pressed to come up with an argument as to why animation lock shouldn't be revisited. I the game's behavior in this area is inconsistent at best, where some things will happen regardless of animation, some things will interrupt some animations, and other things have to wait for any and all animations to play before they can happen. Most egregious is simply engaging/disengaging. I can press attack on a target, and simultaneously get cured by an ally. This forces me to wait. Then a monster casts a spell, forcing me to wait longer. Then someone else casts another spell.... the way the game can chain animation locks is just silly. This has been probably my biggest gripe with the game since forever.

The only valid argument against this I can see is "we've played with it this way for decades." While a valid argument, just because we've played with the game this way doesn't mean it was a good design. It adds an artificial element of challenge- i.e. not the good kind. Making the game more responsive to input (i.e. always doing something when you press the button) will make it a lot more fun just by itself.

[Dragoy]

The camera is actually one of the things I'd /not/ change too much. It has a kind of a weight to it that I like, and even though I often find myself kind of fighting against it, I still prefer how it works most of the time when compared to modern game engines.

Similarly the characters seem to have more weight to them than those in X¦V for example, which is a bit funny.

I played with the completely new GUI they were working on for a bit on the test server, and I'd really like to see that being worked on once more again even though I don't personally really mind the GUI being what it is. It would be great to have it as an alternative though.

I'm not sure how I would feel about higher resolution and more detailed textures even. Maybe I could live with those.

I think one of the things on top of my list graphics-wise would be the draw distance, which makes things look pretty broken at times.

In general I don't think I'm in favour of a "remaster" for the reasons that others have already mentioned as well: they're often making things worse, wasting everyone's time and money, but it would still be interesting to see what they would do with the GUI if they had the funding to work on it again (I think Matsui mentioned he'd like to overhaul it too).

Aside from all that, I'd like the general performance of the client to be improved, since it's pretty dated in all kinds of aspects, being tied to old technology and all that.