FFXI REMASTERED! Do eeeet!

[Alhanelem]

The problem is you idolize XIV in a way even I don't with XI.

The problem with your entire post is this statement isn't true at all. I don't "idolize" FFXIV, in fact I would really not use that word to describe anything. I've told people multiple times about the extent of what I do in that game, which isn't really a whole lot- just PvP and deep dungeon. Two things most people don't care about lol.

I just don't hate it, deride it, and resent it for merely existing the way you do. Times change, and people's interests change. Not hating and resenting != idolizing.

Square struggled for years to make us play XIV and failed,

They stopped trying to convert you after 1.0.

You know how I know XIV is nowhere near as big as they pretend it is? they never give expansion sales numbers, because this would be a guaranteed number of active players and they can't lose face by exposing them.

Expansion sales numbers doesn't accuirately indicate active players. You can deny FFXIV's success all you like but that won't make it go away. Funny how they're expanding all of the datacenters and adding more Worlds because they didn't have enough capacity after Endwalker's release. Sure sounds like a sales failure to me! [/sarcasm]

This isn't a Square Enix policy either. MMOs generally don't release sales numbers or other data beyond a vague "X number of players" in promotional advertising. WoW doesn't give these numbers and neither does any other MMO I've ever played.

In some ways I am hoping they never re-master XI. If they would do a straight-up graphics and GUI update, I would be all for that, but there is no way that would happen. They would do a "George Lucas" and 'improve things' which never ends well. I include VII remaster in this.

It ends just fine many times. The problem is you can never please everyone, there's always an "old salty" who thinks all change is bad and nothing can be legitimately improved. While FFXI is classic, the idea that it can't be improved is nonsense.

[Zero-Hour]

It ends just fine many times.

Possibly, not seen one yet though.

The problem is you can never please everyone, there's always an "old salty" who thinks all change is bad and nothing can be legitimately improved. While FFXI is classic, the idea that it can't be improved is nonsense.

Yes, indeed FFXI could be improved, but the history of re-mastered and tinkered with says otherwise.

The problem would probably manifest itself in the guise of some higher-up business-type in SE who think they know what the target audience want and go all out pushing that agenda, all the time while having no actual clue what the players really want. For instance, totally changing the battle system for "something more up to date". Doing so would completely change the game.

The best re-masters are those where they take the original game as-is and just 1080p the graphics, while leaving the story, game play, battle system exactly as it was.

Lets face it, they are not going to be selling a remastered FFXI to anyone other than the original player base, a modern audience would quit if they were not in endgame within a week of starting.

[Pixela]

You're allowed to be wrong.

[Alhanelem]

You're allowed to be wrong.

So are you.

Then remove XIV from steam, since XI has more player numbers than XIV does on Steam. If one matters they both do.

Of course in both cases, the vast majority of all players in either game are not using Steam. And in both cases, removing the game from Steam wouldn't have a big impact on total player counts. And to be fair to FFXI, it wasn't added to steam for several years, so few people ever got the game that way.

I don't give a rats behind about any of these numbers, I'll love FFXI til I'm the only person with a sub. I'm just putting this here so people know you're talking out your behind while trying to call other people wrong.

[Pixela]

You're now mad. You are well aware that I was saying XI has more players than XIV on steam.

I was also not saying XIV doesn't have a lot of players, I was saying it doesn't have as many as they pretend it does and benefits from the XI player numbers and profits. Especially when they use vague language, for instance I alone have over 80 "characters" on XI that are on XIV square enix accounts.



If they didn't need XI to boost player numbers, they would state them separate on financial reports.

[Catmato]

You're now mad. You are well aware that I was saying XI has more players than XIV on steam.

As much as I hate to agree with Analhelm, he's right about this one. The way you phrased it implies XIV has fewer Steam players than XI does.

[Pixela]

As much as I hate to agree with Analhelm, he's right about this one. The way you phrased it implies XIV has fewer Steam players than XI does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpWj2vOEBmA

[Alhanelem]

As much as I hate to agree with Analhelm, he's right about this one. The way you phrased it implies XIV has fewer Steam players than XI does.

This is why I always tell people precision in wording is important. Yes, some people may see it the way the person speaking intended, but poor / ambiguous phrasing can send a different message than was intended. We can't read each other's minds.

I guess he was trying to say that FFXI has more *total* active users than FFXIV has players on Steam by itself. While probably true (even though I think FFXIAH's method of calculation disporportionately represents bots, as bots use the AH all the time and some players may go long periods of time without using the AH and not appear in this chart), I think it's a largely meaningless observation. FFXIV was not released on steam until later, and is still on a console (well, two sort of) platform, so Steam represents a relatively low percentage of FFXIV players- In no small part because new players are often advised to buy the game standalone from SE rather than from steam.

[Alhanelem]

You're now mad. You are well aware that I was saying XI has more players than XIV on steam.

Yes. And I proved you wrong by showing you both games' steam numbers. And then you proceeded to change the goal posts, as # of characters != # of players. FFXIAH is showing you all the characters it has ever seen created. Those aren't all active players. And while you can add up all the people who did something on the AH and get a reasonable idea of the people playing, that's an entirely different number than what Steam is giving you- that's total players, not concurrent players. Steam only gives concurrent players- which needs to be multiplied several times over to get any semblance of an idea of how many total active players there are, as most people aren't logged in 24 7.

And again: Most players on FFXIV are not on steam. The numbers I gave you are ONLY steam users, and only concurrent users. This doesn't include non-steam PC players, Mac players (okay not many of those), and PS4 and PS5 players.

You can not compare total users to concurrent users.

If they didn't need XI to boost player numbers, they would state them separate on financial reports.

Your logic is flawed. Both games operate under one business unit. There is no reason to state them seperately on financial reports. Your accusations of number fudging are ridiculous.

Also it bears mentioning that in measuring AH transactions in particular, you're including tons of RMT bots, who make new characters EVERY DAY, which inflates those numbers over the period which FFXIAH says constitutes "active." These users can only ever be counted once at a time in concurrent user numbers.

DISCLAIMER: This doesn't mean FFXIV doesn't have bots, because it does. I"m merely pointing out how FFXIAH's method of calcualtion can count the same player multiple times.

[Pixela]

My logic isn't flawed at all you're just outraged, when you cool down you'll be fine. Give it a an hour or so and you'll stop hyper ventilating.