Classic Servers

[Leeto]

I'm sorry but you came into this thread swinging at anyone against 75 cap server.

They came to share their enthusiasm about the Classic FF11 just like I did, knowing preemptively the Galka poster was going to go for their throat immediately and try to have the last word.

Didn't you literally jump into the topic generalizing by saying "nobody cares" and "people only play private because it's free"? You're literally swinging at everyone as you make up statistics and excuses for why YOU don't want this.

Listen, what I'm about to put in quotes doesn't truly mean much and we all know humans are fickle, but I want to show yet another point of view on the matter:

"Regarding that - I'd like to note one thing on behalf of both [REDACTED] and probably [REDACTED] as well (because it did come up once when we spoke) - Neither of us started our servers just so people can play FFXI for free. The servers exist because there is no classic retail server so there is no alternative if you want the classic FFXI experience. We have already mentioned multiple times that should an official classic server ever appears we will shut down our servers."

Maybe there's zero guarantee they even uphold that, but it's a powerful statement that sets the tone. Stop trying to shut the door on us for asking Square to reclaim the classic community. You may not care to see them, but they're standing right outside...

Say it with me,

Final Fantasy XI's pre-Abyssea 75 era needs to be recreated and preserved as a world/server option.

[Alhanelem]

Pointing out that you're acting like an angry teenager everytime you treat people who make posts about classic server proposals like shit could

Except, I'm not doing that. I treat everyone as respectfully as possible. Any hostility is a defensive reaction to behavior like yours towards me in the last few posts, nothing more. Again, I'm a quite happy (thank you very much) 37 year old, not a angry teenager, and I'd very much appreciate it if you both treated me like one, and acted like one yourself. It was all fun and games until you flung (and now repeated) that childish insult.

You really should be more respectful with people you disagree, instead of being mad at someone who's had enough of your bs.

I am completely respectful with people with whom I disagree. I'm sorry if you ever felt otherwise, but I was completely civil with you up til your personal attacks.

Being passionate about my opinion does not mean I'm being disrespectful to you for having yours. If you approached this with civility rather than insults, we wouldn't be having this discussion. I haven't given you or anyone else anything other than my honest feelings. Absolutely zero BS. My perspective is you're doing the exact same things that you're accusing me of. If at any time you'd like to hit the reset button and return to a cordial, frank and honest discussion, I'd be only too happy to cooperate.

[Immortal]

No, go to your private servers, dont ruin the real game thnx

[Alhanelem]

The servers exist because there is no classic retail server so there is no alternative if you want the classic FFXI experience.

I quite simply disagree with this statement, there are plenty of ways to recreate the actual gameplay part of the experience. As for the social aspect, for which many of us was what actually made the game what it was, there is quite simply no way to go back to that without a time machine. People change and times change and we would approach this game differently if it came out today vs nearly 20 years ago. Even on a private server it isn't the same purely for that reason. I'm glad that somebody is motivated by something other than a free ride, but illegal servers are still illegal servers, SE created the experience they intended, and if their creative vision doesn't line up with what someone else wants, well, that's when you play another game. That's what I do, if a game changes and I don't like it anymore, I play a different one. I personally wouldn't circumvent SE's systems and illegally modify their software. But that's just me (and the game dev inside of me).

The other thing is not everyone agrees on what is the most "classic" point in the game. Some people want to go back to launch with base game and ROTZ. others want to go to CoP, others want to include everything up to the point of the level cap going up. Still others enjoyed the game past that point and just wish the game was being updated with the same veracity today that it was back when the game was newer (i.e. better/more substantial version updates). There's really no way to please everyone here. If you tried, you'd have a bunch of individual communities that are too small to be sustainable.

Ultimately, my position is the "classic FFXI experience," as that mystery person puts it, simply no longer exists. Not even on private servers, because even they can't bring back the old school community of yore, with the ppl finding parties by search comments, standing in town shouting all day, etc. In my opinion, it can't truly be recreated even if SE wanted to.

I feel like a remaster would accomplish a lot more than creating a special server that strips content out of the game that certain people don't like.

[Zehira]

I feel like a remaster would accomplish a lot more than creating a special server that strips content out of the game that certain people don't like.

This, I can't say I disagree. They may not know we have a great director, Yoshi-P, that cares a lot about his game and always tries to bring us an update on time. He could consider about this game as well rather than using his WoW-clone challenging Blizzard constantly such as time gating.

Once a remaster comes out, no matter what us old folks say anymore.

[Leeto]

Your position on the matter has been loud and clear since you constantly try to get the last word in on people to hammer down your beliefs as facts. I couldn't possibly be upset at players for being afraid that an optional classic world/server might somehow negatively affect modern retail XI, but it has been absurd to see someone acting as an authority or as if they have some sort of insider knowledge on Square Enix, their financial distribution, and their resources while the 20th anniversary draws nigh.

The same person four posts above claiming to be respectful after essentially confessing they were being passive aggressive and shooting down these very discussions for none other than their own selfish reasons. The solemn fact that sub jobs are no longer half of our levels in FF11 and a brand new 99/53+ era is blooming RIGHT NOW, yet your main concern is that a classic 75 world will rob you of getting a remake/remaster is pretty ironic though, Alhanelem.

So ultimately even YOU are not satisfied with current state of FF11? lol

The strange (and parasocial) passive aggressive scolding towards anyone who dares ask SQEX for a Classic 75 era, all because it would take money and resources away from the "remaster/remake" that you truly believe is more worthy... I'm sorry you feel that way, but I get it now.

Final Fantasy XI's pre-Abyssea 75 era needs to be recreated and preserved as a world/server option.

[Alhanelem]

Your position on the matter has been loud and clear since you constantly try to get the last word in on people to hammer down your beliefs as facts.

I'm genuinely sorry you feel this way. I feel that I've been civil this entire time. I'm not "hammering" anything.

meanwhile, you seem to be, once again, doing the same thing you accusing me of:

Final Fantasy XI's pre-Abyssea 75 era needs to be recreated and preserved as a world/server option.

Sure looks like repeating the same thing again and again to me.
I really wish we could reconcile these differences. We both may want different things for the game but that doesn't mean we can't be respectful to one another.

yet your main concern is that a classic 75 world will rob you of getting a remake/remaster is pretty ironic though, Alhanelem.

That really isn't what I said, at all.

Look, you're clearly not going to budge on your position nor am I, so it really is in our best interests to either settle our differences, or not interact with each other.

Ultimately, SE is pretty much going to do whatever they're going to do. If a certain person reporting the same bot to the STF 80+ times doesn't get them actioned, I don't think extending this thread to 50+ pages is going to influence their decision either. Admittedly that bodes about as well for me as it does for you, but SE is SE.

[Leeto]

There isn't anything to settle. I've acknowledged your post history and called you out on your behavior, you can go back to revising your posts and trying to get the last word in or whatever you like.

It's simple, you can continue to farm your post count and demoralize players asking for Classic 75 era, and I will continue to stand up for the importance of FF11's preservation as a mainline Final Fantasy title.

[Alhanelem]

There isn't anything to settle. I've acknowledged your post history and called you out on your behavior, you can go back to revising your posts and trying to get the last word in or whatever you like.

It's simple, you can continue to farm your post count and demoralize players asking for Classic 75 era, and I will continue to stand up for the importance of FF11's preservation as a mainline Final Fantasy title.

You know, I'm really sick and tired of these accusations. I have a genuine interest in every thread I post in. Go on and believe whatever the hell you want, I'm not here for post count and that's all there is to it. This isn't 1997. If all I cared about was post count, I would just make a bunch of threads and reply to myself- I don't need anyone's help for that, so obviously, my interest in the threads I reply to is genuine.
Your accusations on my behavior are false. Simple as that. You can believe what you want to believe, but that doesn't make it true. My feelings on this issue are as strong as yours, and by fighting against me as you are, you're only guilty of the very things you're accusing me of, making you a hypocrite. I have been civilized this entire thread. You have engaged in personal attacks.

I will continue to stand up for the importance of FF11's preservation as a mainline Final Fantasy title.

I 100% agree that this is super important. But special servers for a specific point in FFXI's past is not in any way instrumental to that goal.

Square-Enix remade FFXIV from the ground up after it bombed, because they didn't want to damage or destroy the FF brand. They clearly have a vested interest in the preservation of the Final Fantasy brand and everything under it. You can be darned sure that SE has a plan in mind to ensure that FFXI will always be part of that.

So if that's your true motivation here- preservation of FF history, well even if SE actually doesn't have a plan for the future and shuts down the game without a replacement/remaster/whatever else, that won't end the private servers. So you really don't have anything to worry about.

[Zehira]

Ultimately, SE is pretty much going to do whatever they're going to do. If a certain person reporting the same bot to the STF 80+ times doesn't get them actioned, I don't think extending this thread to 50+ pages is going to influence their decision either. Admittedly that bodes about as well for me as it does for you, but SE is SE.

In case, you hadn't noticed.

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https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/t...l=1#post639873