Classic Servers

[Trublade]

I never claimed my opinion itself was a fact. But my opinion does in part draw upon the actual fact that SE themselves has said they have no intention of doing it. I merely listed many reasons why that is probably the case. Feeling strongly about an opinion does not mean it is being treated as fact.


And of course it isn't the same game that we had at launch. ALL MMOs change over time. People really need to start realizing and accepting that. Nostalgia is a pair of rose tinted glasses. FFXIV is vastly different now than 9 years ago as well.

Lol again you tell people what they “need to do” as if your king of other peoples decisions.
Why don’t you go tell everyone what server to join while you’re at it?
Oh wait, you already do that constantly.
How about you allow people to have their own opinion and stop acting as if they need to fall in line with yours?

Side note: FFXIV was a complete failure 9 years ago and had to be rebuilt from scratch..
Of course it’s different.
FFXI was never crap. It wasn’t broken IMO and didn’t need to be fixed.
Every game evolves but this has been overly simplified IMO.

[Pixela]

Part of the point is that the resources needed are basically zero. Again, fans with their free time did it for nothing already, they can do it in one or two weeks. Worth the try, might bring many players to game if publicized the right way.

The cost for Square to do this would be really high, just because someone is prepared to do something for nothing over many years it does not mean a company can have that same luxury. Not only do they have to pay people to do this, they need people to understand what they are doing.

The developers are already busy, they don't have the time to mess around with something a small number of people want.

[Pixela]

Lol.. Same old FF forum I see. Attack first..
My brother joined me and level synced to me in selbina sands at level 15. He went almost instantly to like 35 and I hit like 20 for the whole time we were there lol.. He was telling me “wow that was 1200 xp for the first Mob” etc..
But thanks for making assumptions..
You should really consider taking deep breaths and using sensibility before you post.
You’re not doing yourself any favors making blind insinuations and using aggressive tones.
Just some friendly advice.
Have a nice day.

And by brother you mean your main account, good day to you sir trollington of trolltown.

[Alhanelem]

Lol again you tell people what they “need to do” as if your king of other peoples decisions.
Why don’t you go tell everyone what server to join while you’re at it?
Oh wait, you already do that constantly.
How about you allow people to have their own opinion and stop acting as if they need to fall in line with yours?

I didn't tell anyone they needed to do anything in this thread, nor did I tell anyone they couldn't have an opinion nor did I tell them it had to fall in line with mine.
I offer the facts, as told by SE, and allow others to come to their own conclusions. Of course, I'm going to stand by my opinion, but that is part of any discussion.

As far as the server thing, I can advise or suggest what people should do in the interest of a better game experience for all, but it's entirely up to them whether to follow that advice or not. It isn't the order, or command, that you are painting it as. Of course, right now, Asura is closed and unless you want to wait, you kind of have to pick something else. Have you ever considered the fact that I'm on a smaller server and while I don't want to be on the most crowded one, we could still stand to benefit from some new blood? I feel strongly about my opinions and I stand by them, but contrary to your complaining, they are still just opinions. Not orders, not commands, there is no obligation on anybody's part to follow my reccomendations or agree with my opinions. However, I have every right to share them and be passionate about them just as you do yours and I absolutely will not hold them back. Sorry.

Side note: FFXIV was a complete failure 9 years ago and had to be rebuilt from scratch..
Of course it’s different.
FFXI was never crap. It wasn’t broken IMO and didn’t need to be fixed.
Every game evolves but this has been overly simplified IMO.

You are being intentionally obtuse. I wasn't talking about FFXIV's transition from 1.0 to ARR. I was talking about everything that happens over time. You can pretend XIV 1.0 never existed for the sake of argument- FFXIV is still drastically different now from when it came out, just as FFXI is, and that was the point. WoW is drastically different now from when it came out. Everquest is drastically diferent now form when it came out. Runescape is drastically different now from when it came out. I just legitimately don't understand this whole classic server argument. Why are these people playing MMOs if they want them to be frozen in time, which is entirely contrary to how they were designed?

[Alhanelem]

Lol.. Same old FF forum I see. Attack first..
My brother joined me and level synced to me in selbina sands at level 15. He went almost instantly to like 35 and I hit like 20 for the whole time we were there lol.. He was telling me “wow that was 1200 xp for the first Mob” etc..
But thanks for making assumptions..
You should really consider taking deep breaths and using sensibility before you post.
You’re not doing yourself any favors making blind insinuations and using aggressive tones.
Just some friendly advice.
Have a nice day.

I mean, if you don't want to progress fast, that's entirely your choice. You can almost certainly find some like minded players who have more time to waste grinding than your supposed brother does.
For most of us, w hile it was fun back then (mostly for the social aspect), many of us were teens or in our 20s when we started, and we're older now. We have jobs. we can't devote the same amount of time to a single game- but we'd still like to make visible progress in each play session.

[Lortheron]

Lol again you tell people what they “need to do” as if your king of other peoples decisions.
Why don’t you go tell everyone what server to join while you’re at it?
Oh wait, you already do that constantly.
How about you allow people to have their own opinion and stop acting as if they need to fall in line with yours?

Side note: FFXIV was a complete failure 9 years ago and had to be rebuilt from scratch..
Of course it’s different.
FFXI was never crap. It wasn’t broken IMO and didn’t need to be fixed.
Every game evolves but this has been overly simplified IMO.

Exactly this. Over simplification of something that was never broken to begin with, unnecessary changes that went a bit too far and changed the feel of the game without adding anything similar to replace it.

Thank you.

[Lortheron]

I mean, if you don't want to progress fast, that's entirely your choice. You can almost certainly find some like minded players who have more time to waste grinding than your supposed brother does.
For most of us, w hile it was fun back then (mostly for the social aspect), many of us were teens or in our 20s when we started, and we're older now. We have jobs. we can't devote the same amount of time to a single game- but we'd still like to make visible progress in each play session.

So all content before lvl 99 is just grind to you? You don't like to have a challenge and enjoy slowly every single part of what is really 90% of the actual game content?

Sorry if I understand incorrectly.

Taking SOME of the GRIND off is nice, but making the content too easy and steamrollable fast is not. This game is meant to be challenging no matter the level, and most beautiful stories are told while leveling, as a reward for making it trough challenging content, they should've never changed that.

Make leveling a bit faster: good. Making it ridiculous to the point of breaking all the game up to level 99 instantly : bad. Very bad (and a disrespect to all that beautiful content in the first place, really).

[Alhanelem]

So all content before lvl 99 is just grind to you?

No, there were definitely things I legitimately enjoyed doing along the way. But most of those were one time things. I don't have any desire to do level 30 BCNMs again, for example, I already did them 2 dozen times 15 years ago. Same with the missions. I enjoyed them thoroughly. I enjoyed doing crafting along the way, but I also don't want to level the crafts over again. I did garrison once and that was kinda fun, but I have no desire to do it again, particularly for irrelevant rewards.



I hope you can understand that not wanting to do certain things today doesn't mean we didn't have any fun with them back in the day.

The only thing I really truly miss from back then is the early days of Ballista when there were like 2 dozen people on each team, that was crazy fun. But since there was no incentive to participate other than entertainment (and maybe taking some gil from your friends), it went from being a wild crazy thing to just being enjoyed by a small cult following. I can still occasionally do it today but usually just the bare minimum number of people.

When FFXI was new, the whole idea of being in an entire other world was thrilling and exciting. But over time, it gradually shifted towards enjoying the contents rather than simply being immersed in a world. Participating in a virtual world as if it was one was extremely time consuming. There is no way I could do that today, idling around town, chatting people up and that sort of thing. When I started I was in college and had lots of free time. Now, I have multiple hobbies, a job that keeps me busy, etc. So while I love logging in to vanadiel and smashing some BCNMs or doing whatever have you, I simply do not care to return to the old days of taking forever to get from one place to another, chatting up everyone i see along the way, grinding XP for hours, etc. because I simply do not have time to enjoy the game the same way I used to.

[Lortheron]

I haven't played in quite some time. I made a new character and came back hoping for the same or at least a similar experience.. What I got was me joining a party where everyone gets 1000-2000 xp per kill and I get 200-600... I go from level 15 to 20 and they go from 15 to 35 in under an hour.. wth?!

I don't want to be on a server where that kind of xp gain exists.
It is insane and it kills the whole feel of level progression and the bonds you make with people while doing it.

It completely negates the use of lower level equipment and absolutely invalidates any low level crafting.
IMO everything in the game is fine EXCEPT for the insane amount of XP gain at low to mid levels.
It's just ridiculous...

I am seriously heartbroken at what this game feels like right now because of it.
Please make a semi-classic "official" server and allow people to join it so they can experience the same awesome feels I had when I got this game on PS2 back in the day or nerf the XP for low and mid levels.
Please..
Thank you.

I agree, some faster leveling is good and welcome. Original classic was way, way, too slow. But what we have now is just ridiculous. They could remove the Raphsodies of Vana Diel key items at least as they just break the game and kill all experience bellow lvl99. If one is going that route it would be better to just offer new players an option (maybe paid) to create a lvl99 character and be done with it, honestly it would be better. As it is, with RoV ridiculous bonusses, it's just really sad and makes all content bellow lvl99 way too easy and steamrollable, which is very bad.

[Lortheron]

The point of low level crafting is to get to high level crafting. Even 10 years ago, that's about 90% the truth.

I mean, if you really want to play a game where you level crazy slow, play MapleStory. Even though it's been sped up since it started, it still takes forever and ever, much longer than FFXI ever did, in the higher levels.

People lead busier lives today than they did back in the day. Nobody really wants to level that slow anymore.

It's just too fast with RoV KIs, really. It should be at the very least a bit slower that FFXIV and it would already be ~4x faster than FFXI original pacing. But as it is now, it's like ~15x times faster and that's just way too fast for any game and breaks the experience.

I agree that faster xp gains are welcome, but something like FFXIV, yes, a bit slowers. Not faster than it, and it is much faster (than FFXIV) sadly as it currently stands, to the point of breaking the experience.