Black Belt items [dev1009]

[Karbuncle]

How likely is it to be obsolete soonish? This is assuming it's actually good, probably for fail jobs.

About as likely as Black belt to be obsoleted.

It sucks now, noone wants it. Having the "set" offers nothing, -50 HP etc.

When did i said it didn't suck? hmmm oh right, never. I said they wanted it "For shits and giggles"

same as above except they already sucked at 75.

See above statement.

I had to double check : nope. Speed belt ? Only useful to RDM and PLD. PLD is not a job. RDm can cap haste without it easily etc ¿Probably pld too.

oh, yah you're right. No one buys Speed Belt anymore. and i could have sworn is aid "A shot at some gil" I don't recall claiming an exorbitant amount.

I know its hard to be anything less than a cynical ass when you've been banned or hated in every single FFXI forum in existence, But you should try. Unless of course you're just attempting to add this board as another feather in your cap.

I never said every item on the list they wanted was useful, Just because you can't find a reason to want something just to want it, rather it be town gear or not, does not mean as my friends they would like those things for fun.

OH, And not surprisingly, You seem to conveniently leave out this part, which would dispel your entire stupid break-down.

Basically now though, We can do the KSNM for the small shot at gil/BB Item, and then we can kill the HNMs, some of them oddly like fighting those things, even if they don't need the drops. A few of them would like Ridills Just as toys, So I really shouldn't have said "Many more reason" as a universal thing, More towards specifically my friends.

Oh look, I bolded the part where I said "My original statement could stand some revisions, here i'll correct it". Maybe you can actually read it this time.

In case you can't understand what that says. it says "Yah, Looking back I can see this won't give everyone a reason, I guess i was speaking more from personal experiience, I can see how my original statement wouldn't apply to everyone, thanks"

[MarkovChain]

"i entirely agree with you that KS99 have mostly crap reward" would have been enough but as usual with you its hard to admit that you are wrong. And no black belt is unlikely to become obsolete because of the monk belt quests system : the next one, if any, will require bb or it won't exist.

[Corwin]

I don't know which player is harder to deal with, Pchan or Feiwong. Probably the latter.

[Octaviane]

I will admit I was more than a little apprehensive about the new system for obtaining BB items. After some careful thought though, and after reading some of the more constructive posts, I am a bit more hopeful about finishing mine.

SE has confirmed that BB items will still drop from KS99's and/or a pop item for Land Kings. If I read correctly that means 2 chances at a BB item. One from the KS and if no BB item drops a pop item will which may or may not pop a HQ King. As yet, we don't know the adjusted drop rate from HQ's, nor do we know the frequency of HQ pops vs NQ. SE has also said pop items will be tradeable.

Personally, I have absolutely no problem farming KS, in Cape Teriggan my KS drop rate is probably 2-1 over BS. In lower xp areas, yes the drop rate is lower, but still not impossible to get. It takes almost no time to do a couple FoV pages a day even in the higher level areas, in fact a lot less time than is spent in Abyssea.

For those who complain that they have no KS or desire to farm them, the pop items are tradeable, meaning you can buy them. I have no doubt there will be price gouging by FFXI "entrepeneurs"...........(oh how nice it would be if we could make money like that in real life).

For those who say "I have no gil". As many have said, you can make gil from Abyssea cruor by selling the Aurore, Teal and Perle gear, and, there are still good items to farm in regular areas if you know where to go, that will net you some pretty nice gil. All it takes is a bit of time and effort.

Instead of standing around afk in Port Jeuno, your time could be better spent is what I am saying, just my opinion.

It is true that not many do KS99's anymore, and it is true that in general, people will only help if it benefits them in some way. KS99 reward items used to be quite valuable, no longer the case, but still better than nothing and no worse than potential drops from any other BCNM/KSNM/ISNM with a couple of noteable exceptions. Friends are the key here, don't be afraid to ask for help doing them, it might take a bit, but keep trying. You can do PUG's, not something I go for, but you might wind up with a good group.

Good luck to all the old school monks who have strived for their BB and resisted the urge to pay millions of gil to those "entrepeneurial" (sp) factions of FFXI.

[Sama]

I was thinking shorten the pop time for FAB is the way to go; now SE invented a solution which may have cause another... good lord...

[Gokku]

stop beating this dead horse

[LordChocoSlime]

Prior to hearing about this, I feared that getting those Black Belt items would be improbable at best. Now, I might actually be able to get those items now. Granted, I'm not too keen on the decrease in the drop rates for those items, but I do like that the NMs that drop them will be a bit easier to spawn soon. Guess I better rack up on Kindred Seals.

[Henihhi]

See Lord Choco has the right idea. Black belt never came from abyssea. Y'all need to stop whining to have it handed to you like everything in abyssea. It is not honestly that hard to get. I play MNK once a friggin year- and yes i suck at it- and i have one. If y'all spent less time whining and working for one you might get one.SE has just opened the flood gates for all the bandwagoners, stop crying and take advantage.

[Dart]

I think that my brain is going to explode...

[Suirieko]

At first I disagreed with the system, but now I actually like the direction with the system and the greater good out of it.

Most people couldn't get the black belt because there's always an HNM LS or two that's pretty much preventing them from getting it. This is the solution to that problem, if anything, this SHOULD have been done long ago.

This system is also win/win for everyone who has never participated in HNM camping for various reasons. It's always full of drama and people felt it wasn't worth it. It's the reason why Odin was an alternative to getting the abjuration gears for most people in the first place.

People will have two shot to get black belt items, the KS99 fight itself, and of course the king fight, not only that, but people, most likely friends, will also potentially benefit from this as well by getting the items they couldn't get before, notably Ridill and the Abjuration gears, and of course, everyone's favourite: D.Ring.

KS99 Shouldn't take more than a few friends (5 or 6) to do, since they are not capped. I agree the biggest problem is the fact that it still takes 99 KSes, but it's moot, and something people could work out for each other in the long run.

Other thing to keep in mind: Originally these HNMs were designed to be killed only once a day, and the kings only once a week. Now they can be damn near literally spammed. So if you look at it that way, you'd probably agree with the lowered drop rate.

Like I said, at first I disagreed with the system, but I did not look at the bigger picture here:

The HNM will no longer be fought only once a day, but can be literally spammed many, many times a day much like spamming NMs say, Byakko, and Kirin himself. In other words, Black belt and the abjurations are much easier to get than most people would think. If you ask me, this is a great trade off.

SE has just opened the flood gates for all the bandwagoners, stop crying and take advantage.

This ^. Salvage initially made monk popular job for it since it once contained the best of the best gear you could get in the game. Abyssea greatly made monk an even more popular job than ever. When I came back from taking a break, I'm completely astounded at the number of monk I came across. Monks are literally a dime a dozen now.

Of course, I didn't join the bandwagon for abyssea, I leveled monk back in 2008 for the LS I was in, just so I could do salvage, and not use my most demanded job: Thief >.> Sadly that backfired, but I digress.

I have a pretty good feeling that once the update come, the KS99 will be INCREDIBLY crowded, for the first few weeks, which is the main reason why I rushed to get black belt before the update, that and I wanted to try to get my black belt done the "old fashioned way" while I still could.