Black Belt items [dev1009]

[Peldin]

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[MarkovChain]

So you agree that the friend argument is irrelevant. If you don't have it yet, either you are completely new or your friends didn't want to give you their orbs. As such they are unlikely to do so in the future. If anything you are losing the chance at some friends leaning you some money to buy off campers.

[Karbuncle]

So you agree that the friend argument is irrelevant. If you don't have it yet, either you are completely new or your friends didn't want to give you their orbs. As such they are unlikely to do so in the future. If anything you are losing the chance at some friends leaning you some money to buy off campers.

Not entirely no. A friend of mine in game recently sent me a tell saying and i quote, "with this new update on the HNMs, would you be interested in doing those KSNM99s?"

I told him yes, We're not starting a sorta-Static for the KSNMs, the NMs are a different story.

Some of them want items from the HNMs, meaning they weren't doing KSNM99s before, and i never asked them too. because before this update there wasn't a lot to gain from it so i Didn't impose on them.

After this update theres a lot more to gain from the KSNM99s, so i don't feel as guilty asking them.

thats why.

I don't have said Item cause I don't enjoy Imposing on my friends when they wouldn't really gain anything. Its not that they wouldn't help, I just wouldn't ask. now with this theres a lot more reward in it for them, so i don't feel as guilty asking.

[MarkovChain]

A lot more gain ? really ? What ? The only item are BB, the other are junk except defending ring which is too low droprate. to even care about if you plan to start from Kindred seals at least. Your firned will not have more interest now than after the VU.

[Swords]

A lot more gain ? really ? What ? The only item are BB, the other are junk except defending ring which is too low droprate. to even care about if you plan to start from Kindred seals at least. Your firned will not have more interest now than after the VU.

Not entirely true, KSNM 99 still holds a chance for Swift Belts, Strider Boots, and Kriegsbeil, and a few pieces of Abj. and gear are still useful from Kings, couple that with the update that says were supposed to be able to augment some endgame gear through synergy stands to give some reasonable gains. I won't hold my breath on that note though, because were not entirely sure of all the gear that will be upgradeable or if more will be to come.

[Karbuncle]

A lot more gain ? really ? What ? The only item are BB, the other are junk except defending ring which is too low droprate. to even care about if you plan to start from Kindred seals at least. Your firned will not have more interest now than after the VU.

N.Legs are still great Armor, Some of them want Dalmatica just for having it, I know a few want Blood-Gear (I think thats mask from behemoth) for completion value (they own 4/5 Blood missing head). Originally the KSNM99s just offered a small shot at a BB Item, and a small shot at gil, then the trip ends there. I didn't want to impose on my friends, its not that they wouldn't help, its just that in asking them to help me for little to no gain i would feel bad. They would have helped me no benefit at all, They do it all the time (Hence: Helping me kill Glavoid fo Ukonvasara (We're helping each other build Empyreans :3)

Basically now though, We can do the KSNM for the small shot at gil/BB Item, and then we can kill the HNMs, some of them oddly like fighting those things, even if they don't need the drops. A few of them would like Ridills Just as toys, So I really shouldn't have said "Many more reason" as a universal thing, More towards specifically my friends.

But theres the thing, Friends never needed a reason to help, But a lot of people were probably like me. Didn't want to impose on them, but now theres a little more to gain, they might feel less bad about it.

I don't recall once saying this update will fix everyones problems everywhere though, I stand by my point. Friends make the game worth playing anyway. Would be a very sad sad empty meaningless game to me If i couldn't log on and see all those familiar names to talk too.

[MarkovChain]

N.Legs are still great Armor

How likely is it to be obsolete soonish? This is assuming it's actually good, probably for fail jobs.

, Some of them want Dalmatica just for having it,

It sucks now, noone wants it. Having the "set" offers nothing, -50 HP etc.

I know a few want Blood-Gear (I think thats mask from behemoth) for completion value (they own 4/5 Blood missing head).

same as above except they already sucked at 75.

gil

I had to double check : nope. Speed belt ? Only useful to RDM and PLD. PLD is not a job. RDm can cap haste without it easily etc ¿Probably pld too.

[Karbuncle]

How likely is it to be obsolete soonish? This is assuming it's actually good, probably for fail jobs.

About as likely as Black belt to be obsoleted.

It sucks now, noone wants it. Having the "set" offers nothing, -50 HP etc.

When did i said it didn't suck? hmmm oh right, never. I said they wanted it "For shits and giggles"

same as above except they already sucked at 75.

See above statement.

I had to double check : nope. Speed belt ? Only useful to RDM and PLD. PLD is not a job. RDm can cap haste without it easily etc ¿Probably pld too.

oh, yah you're right. No one buys Speed Belt anymore. and i could have sworn is aid "A shot at some gil" I don't recall claiming an exorbitant amount.

I know its hard to be anything less than a cynical ass when you've been banned or hated in every single FFXI forum in existence, But you should try. Unless of course you're just attempting to add this board as another feather in your cap.

I never said every item on the list they wanted was useful, Just because you can't find a reason to want something just to want it, rather it be town gear or not, does not mean as my friends they would like those things for fun.

OH, And not surprisingly, You seem to conveniently leave out this part, which would dispel your entire stupid break-down.

Basically now though, We can do the KSNM for the small shot at gil/BB Item, and then we can kill the HNMs, some of them oddly like fighting those things, even if they don't need the drops. A few of them would like Ridills Just as toys, So I really shouldn't have said "Many more reason" as a universal thing, More towards specifically my friends.

Oh look, I bolded the part where I said "My original statement could stand some revisions, here i'll correct it". Maybe you can actually read it this time.

In case you can't understand what that says. it says "Yah, Looking back I can see this won't give everyone a reason, I guess i was speaking more from personal experiience, I can see how my original statement wouldn't apply to everyone, thanks"

[Neisan_Quetz]

ITT: Friends don't help friends unless they benefit.

[MarkovChain]

ITT : friends don't help and you for KS99 now but they will help you next week.