[Dev 1009] Force Pop HNM's FTW

[Krisan]

Players will now have to choose between leeching in Abyssea, and EXP'ing normally to amass Kindred Seals for Kings.

Never much considered it a choice myself, could never stand the idea of leeching in Abyssea.. Plus the world exp change was dramatic enough recently that I genuinely don't see the problem with doing it "the old way" anymore.. I have a lot to work on actually, as I was batshit enough to create a brand new character here recently to level. I imagine I'll probably have a nice little stash of seals by the time he catches up to my main.

[Runespider]

They aren't creating entirely new Systems for them. If that's what you're getting at :|

Yeah but it still took the devs days/weeks having long discussions to figure this system, so I'm pretty sure they will use it again for the new HNM.

For people complaining about removing them from NQ and the BCNM, they increased the level cap making all these fights weak as c**p, you think they should retain drops that used to take upto an alliance to kill for? Especially since they are still very much wanted gear.

And for those who think they have escaped the bots finally. Im pretty sure a bot can be made to trade to the ??? (if one doesnt exist alredy)

lolno, maybe for the first week or two this will be an issue but not after that lol

[Karbuncle]

the egg in the KSNM is fucking shit, then it would be lower????????

the beard is who cares seems like it drops every other one, the egg is a fucking pita though.

I am not sure about tongue.

This is a bad system because of the 99 KS, if it was less time to compensate the lower drops i can see giving it a chance but this is a big NO! atm with how it is stated.

They said nothing about lowering the drop rates for the KSNM's as far as i know, just for Kings and removed from NQs.

Over all i think the adjusting of BB item drop rate on NQ/Kings was retardedly back-peddling the entire idea of this update, But I don't think we can FULLY judge it until we know how bad the drop rate on the Kings were nerfed.

[Rambus]

I see nowhere on the development thread that they said they're removing BB items from the KSNM.

This aside, I don't see why people are so upset. You might actually have to put in a little work to get something. That's like... terrible, right? Plus this is probably an overall better chance in the long run. And I gotta agree with GG, this will definitely open up non-Abyssea XPing again!

you hever do the KSNMs? egg rarely drops, i think i used 3 ksnm orbs my self on it, helped a lot of other people in ls and i seen like 2 drop ever out of the 20-30 i did.

[Krisan]

the egg in the KSNM is fucking shit, then it would be lower????????

the beard is who cares seems like it drops every other one, the egg is a fucking pita though.

I am not sure about tongue.

This is a bad system because of the 99 KS, if it was less time to compensate the lower drops i can see giving it a chance but this is a big NO! atm with how it is stated.

Don't freak out so badly man, I was actually trying to validate your concerns there if you didn't notice. I just said that we don't know yet how much it was lowered - and that yea, if it is any kind of significant decrease then I agree with you completely. They're a low enough drop already, I've helped LS mates in the past with them.. it's painful stuff.

[Karbuncle]

you hever do the KSNMs? egg rarely drops, i think i used 3 ksnm orbs my self on it, helped a lot of other people in ls and i seen like 2 drop ever out of the 20-30 i did.

Yah, that pretty much falls in line with my assumption of 10% drop rate :P

[Greatguardian]

you hever do the KSNMs? egg rarely drops, i think i used 3 ksnm orbs my self on it, helped a lot of other people in ls and i seen like 2 drop ever out of the 20-30 i did.

Dude, you're really not reading this right. They are not lowering the drop rate inside the KSNM. It stays the same, only you also get a pop for the NQ turtle, which drops a pop for the HQ turtle, which can also drop Egg. This only lowers your chances of getting BB items if you camp HNMs, or buy the drops from the camped HNMs.

[Krisan]

They said nothing about lowering the drop rates for the KSNM's as far as i know, just for Kings and removed from NQs.

Over all i think the adjusting of BB item drop rate on NQ/Kings was retardedly back-peddling the entire idea of this update, But I don't think we can FULLY judge it until we know how bad the drop rate on the Kings were nerfed.

Yeah it didn't sound to me either that the KSNM drops were lowered. I actually think I know why they did it this way, but it's pretty retarded thinking. I believe "back-peddling" is actually a very nice way of putting it, but meh.. We'll see.

[Daremo]

Dude, you're really not reading this right. They are not lowering the drop rate inside the KSNM. It stays the same, only you also get a pop for the NQ turtle, which drops a pop for the HQ turtle, which can also drop Egg. This only lowers your chances of getting BB items if you camp HNMs, or buy the drops from the camped HNMs.

Or, of course, if you don't have a group or the seals to do KSNMs with.

[Elexia]

Only problem I see with this is it's SE's typical give and take type system.

We'll give you easier to pop NMs, but you'll have to go through hoops of fire to do so.

We'll let you pop an NM path you want but you need to take pictures first.

We'll let you pop even more NMs using a KI, but you have to go to x,y,z zone and pop them in tiers, oh and they can spawn as shadow meaning no drops.

So yeah, change is cool but the pop items for example coulda been simple and to the point like Abyssea's, but it does get people out of abyssea so I'm happy.