[Dev 1009] Force Pop HNM's FTW

[Ahtos]

This is the worst idea ever. Its nice you need a item to pop the NM now but how you get it is crap. Ppl don´t wanna go back to the old camps and farm KS just for this. The 3 NM's drop crap these days, well maybe beside 1 or 2 items and decreasing the drop rate / removing the BB items don´t really help to encourage ppl to do the NM's and/or farm KS anymore.

[Juilan]

the Achilles heal of this update will be one things:

Are they making D ring obtainable without a year commitment?

I hate all these people that are pro-change on this, I leveled all but PUP COR DNC and SCH to 75 via good old fashion grinding, I am not going to be "oh boy i can xp in this camp again" most of them sucked, most of them I'm stilling have nightmares over... in the tree on crabs xping 50ish, "Incoming Aquarius" > wipe. "Anyone have RR?" no, i didnt put it up after that water elemental wiped us. Good times! I have friends that I have been camping Behe for for the tongue, when they're on, I can sit in BD for a few hours do homework and not be bothered to do anything til the time he told me to kill it at so he could be home in time. This update changes it to, "lemme use your KS99 for worthless loot" and i get "im doing homework like i did when we were camping" now if the monster actually dropped the mythical D ring, then i'd be "i'll be right on it, i wont play game boy and i'll actually blink tank" i used to camp d ring daily with an HNM and stopped after leaving the shell only because a friend yelled at me for camping against her... again if the items, less the black belt, aren't worth the effort put in because the dragon hearts that used to sell for 40k now sell to NPCs for 7k, more than the 4k on the AH... or the Behe hides which are now 40k, if that, this update is truly just making the monk's life harder.

for those people saying "don't complain about having to work for your item", you'll be doing more work for less results, about 2 to 4 weeks for a pop item if you have something like school or work or a wife or kids for something with a lower drop rate than it used to ... where as you could wake up at 2 am find a friend or two to kill an NM sitting... yes im complaining about doing MORE WORK for LESS

but maybe im the rare group that hopes that we can do something fun with void walkers, and hopes pld is the preferred tank, also a good way to get people out of abyssea isn't to make them farm KS, it would be adding level 90 gear to NMs outside of it that aren't insanely hard to kill. the only reason we stay in abbyssea is because even ares's body was bested by a shinryu drop -.- I COMPLAIN ABOUT HAVING TO DO MORE WORK FOR LESS THAN THE LEVEL 90 STUFF BECAUSE I'VE BEEN PLAYING FOR 7 YEARS AND SOME OF THIS STUFF SEEMS AS IF IT WAS GIVEN TO NEW PLAYERS LIKE A BIRTH RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and they didnt add challenge they added time syncs since the level cap breached what else would you call having to get 8 to 10 items off an NM to get a piece of gear when prior to abyssea we had the same things with about the same drop rates, less the !!, from gods and kings... ridill is about the same drop rate as a bullwhip belt if you don't get the !!... just think about that

[Alukat]

years too late. on my server there's only 1 pt camping fafnir and most time there are only 15 ppl camping for nidhogg.
also now u have to farm KS, say you are lucky and u get 5 of them in 1 hour it takes 20 hours to get a KSNM pop item then u need to do the KSNM > the t1 NM > t2 NM.
ok that it is possible to do the t2 immediately after the t1 is a pro.
no competition is a pro too (but to be honest there is not much competition anymore)
but the time spend to get the pop is a con. u need to spend hours to get it. now u just get ToD and then u have a 3 hours window of camping.

[Greatguardian]

Not gonna lie, y'all. Only things I'm going to be killing these for are Nlegs for Chant du Cynge, Ridill for my SAMlulz, and DRing. I'll probably be flooring/selling BB items, and so will half of the playerbase. If you're honestly worried about KS drop rates and BB items, go to Abyssea, Cruor burn some stuff with some friends (or solo, whatever), turn the Cruor into Gil via Chocobo Blinkers or whatever they're called, and buy the BB items.

[Venat]

D-ring for all, The real question is how is King behemoth gonna be spawned from the ??? ? More pops you use the greater it has a chance to spawn? Or will it be like 90% behemoth, 10% King behemoth, 10% D-Ring, 90% junk.

I think they need to add some good rewards back to Cerebus, Kchimra and Hydra. I would like to see those HNMs have more spotlight. Start by adding Aug Quests for the currect rewards they already give out.

[Greatguardian]

D-ring for all, The real question is how is King behemoth gonna be spawned from the ??? ? More pops you use the greater it has a chance to spawn? Or will it be like 90% behemoth, 10% King behemoth, 10% D-Ring, 90% junk.

I think they need to add some good rewards back to Cerebus, Kchimra and Hydra. I would like to see those HNMs have more spotlight. Start by adding Aug Quests for the currect rewards they already give out.

Er, well, I'm assuming they're making two ???s anyways. The pop for the NQ is dropped from the KSNM, and the pop for the HQ is dropped by the NQ, so it's not a random pop between the two. You kill Behemoth in order to get a pop for King Behemoth.

As for ToAU Kings, isn't Cerberus still broken? Last I heard, he was taking like 1-digit damage from melee attacks and shit.

[Tsuneo]

D-ring for all, The real question is how is King behemoth gonna be spawned from the ??? ? More pops you use the greater it has a chance to spawn? Or will it be like 90% behemoth, 10% King behemoth, 10% D-Ring, 90% junk.

I think they need to add some good rewards back to Cerebus, Kchimra and Hydra. I would like to see those HNMs have more spotlight. Start by adding Aug Quests for the currect rewards they already give out.

They don't share a pop. For example if you have a Behemoth pop you have a chance of getting a King Behemoth pop from killing Behemoth.

[hiko]

Does not matter if people have stored KS, that is a weak pro-argument for this update.

you are basically saying screw you to newer players and players that do not have many KS from trying to get said items in the past.

do you guys understand how the system wil work based on notes???

get 99 KS

enter KSNM

get a small chance of BB item with useless crap no one buys anymore and at lest 1 pop item for NQ

pop NQ

do not get BB item
Do not get HQ item even after a few attempts.

system is good? ya right

now it is:
get 99 KS

enter KSNM

get a small chance of BB item with useless crap no one buys anymore.(the exact same chance it will be after)
OR:
go to HNM camp, get a little chance it's up and unclaim
case 1: HQ unclaim: profit
case 2: NQ unclaim: get liitle chance to get item
case 3: camp for undefined amount of timed

[Novax]

I'm willing to bet 50% of the playerbase will even do these new KS99/Hnm 40% being ppl looking for BB items and the other 10% just spamming for dring. While that other 50% will be in abyssea, I personally don't like the system nor do I even need to do hnm at all. It could have been put together far better by SE.

[viion]

I am very against the blackbelt item adjustments, I dont like monk and will never get it, but for those who do want it, at least before they always had a chance, the only tough one was fafnir imo the others barely got camped (from my own experience).

Making it not pop off 1 mob then decreasing it on another, which you might not even be able to fight without a good bunch of friends and you still have to get pop item which we dont knoe drop rate for yet.

I dont know if I like the idea of it requiring KS's tho, I dont remember how fast they come in so will have to go farming for a day and see how many I collect up. But BB will need like 1000 lol prolly more before you get drop, hope ur friends do it a lot XD